No offense taken, I'm just illustrating a point. If it has no impact, lets just shut all the race tracks down and see what happens.
Not necessarily. As a result they may be more likely to inform themselves on the subject and thus be able to give an informed opinion. But that is not necessarily going to be the case. I have witnessed a fatal head on collision and it impacted me. That doesn't mean I have any idea how to stop fools driving too fast around corners.
If you lost a loved one are you saying you wouldn't even try? That's the point alot of people are missing here, at least they're TRYING to do SOMETHING rather than just sitting on their asses. So what it might not solve it, infact it's almost garunteed it wont stop it, but at least they're trying to do something about it. At least they're trying to support people who are genuine enthusiasts, they could very well just go out and attack every single car club in existance and try to get them all disbandoned but they're not. Why? because what the hell do you think that's going to do for the situation?
i think there needs to be more race tracks or places to allow poeple to play with their car in a controled enviroment. Once there are acceptable places for poeple to do this then you have the problem where the RTA or DOT or police decide to do road worthy check on every car going in and out of the car park. ( yes it has happend to me a few times ) it is actions like this that make life harder for the people that try and do the right thing. I know a few people that wont go to drag strips on test and tune days because they dont what the hassle to explain what there mod plates are for and then have the officer make an uneducated or un informed decision to put thier car off the road. Either way i would go to a race track if there was one with in 500km of my house and i would trailer my car there to redues the chances of getting it put of the road. Street racing is something that will never be stopped but can be reduced through people being giving the opertunitiy to try it on a race track. Only then will they understand
i hate how everyone blames shit on the younger ones? yes i agree the young guys out there are the ones having the most accidents etc etc, this is because they want to be good like the elders and are very uneducated and un-experienced... to back this up, when i went to the noble park drag days and the big crowd it brang of more than 1000 people, the guys doing the big donuts, i mean litrally just sitting in the middle of the intersection doing huge donuts were actually the elder guys...im talking guys in there 30's and up....i did not see one young gun do something like that in the middle of the intersection....i mean even the crowd, there were sooooo many elder people in there 40's and up with prams and lil kids etc...this is just stupid...and the worst thing of all if you have had a look at the videos, the crowds were covering the roads, so bloody close to these older guys doing stupid things on the roads....this obviously encourages the younger ones wanting to do better and bigger things...which obviosuly fks up coz they are un-experienced etc...:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
wait till i see you next :bash: :bash: lol,and to think my neighbour told me i should grow up ,and not have all these noisy japanese cars in the driveway at all times of the night ,but it was all chris's fault
you cant stop street racing. you can make it riskier and costlier, but it cant be stopped untill cars are magneticly kept in line and computer driven. even then.. people would find ways.. i mean i even saw a drag race between 4 humvee's in iraq on liveleak.. during a war.. since cars were made people have been dragging them.
that was sadam and osama dragging into bagdad lol , its amazing what time you can get on a 1/4 mile when a tomahawk or cruise missile is coming at ya
I guess the utlimate point I was trying to make is that Victim groups like C.A.R.S can take one of two stances. Either support the car enthusiasts or fight them... I think it's great they're supporting them, and helping QLD in this instance get another track re-opened. It would be like opening a huge can of worms if they tried to fight all the clubs, and people would be more inclined to rebel even more and take it to the streets. Not everyone will agree on this, and people should just agree to disagree...
osama used to be employed by the cia when the russians were in afganistan,they were his going away presents
long ---- Now that I have read the whole thread... May I comment......in my own opinions of course. Everyone who has posted here has valid points, however, some statements here I do tend to disagree with. Building more racetracks Not gonna work. Every major city has at least one racetrack or drag strip so what makes us think that by building more will get the hoons off the road. Isn't one enough? Government funded tracks Concurr with Chilli. With the risk of litigation, this is not an option Isn't one racetrack enough? Crushing Cars Not 100% up to date with the intended law but is it a three strike policy? Hoons are going to be hoons no matter who they are or how old they are. If they are deadset caught street racing (and I don't mean off the lights) then it should be instant crushing....maybe they'll learn their lesson before its too late and they kill someone. Now before I get flamed - if these idiots can not take the appropriate avenues ie: track days etc, then why shouldn't their car get destroyed if they are caught in the act and endangering their own and others lives. Will they do it again if their car is crushed - possibly, but then, would they run the risk of getting yet another car crushed - doubt it. Times have changed - the good ol days in the 50's 60's 70's and possibly early 80's where you could have a bit of a drag and the worst that would happen is you were told to get home (probably more of 50,60,70's here) are gone. population has increased therefore traffic has increased and people need to think about the consequences of their actions before they actually do act. NOT EVERYONE IS A GREAT DRIVER; Just because you can go fast in a straight line and brake heavily, does not make you a good driver. Nor does, for that mater, being able to go around a corner fast. Defensive driving courses could go either way. Yes, it may teach SOME car control but in saying that, it may also promote hooning because "I know how to control a car, I did the defensive driving course" attitude. And just because you haven't had an accident, or you have been driving busses or trucks all your life, does not make you a great driver either. The only way to become a good driver (IMO) is to get the proper experience and tuiton through a designated race track. Not on the streets! I am sure that people on this forum that do race cars or do track days etc, can vouch for the fact that they do not need to express themselves on the streets anymore becausae they get their 'fix' on the track. I was a terrible teenager on the road - INVINCIBLE - but the moment I started racing, the urge to street race just seemed to go away. So in closing your honour - if getting the dickheads off the street means destroying their car - then I say go for it. End.
i think there are 2 major flaws in the idea of crushing cars... 1st - most young drivers that have fancy cars have probably financed the car, this will result in a loss to the finance company... yeah yeah. the owner of the car is still liable but if the owner goes bnkrupt finance companies lose out... this will cause problems... 2nd - i think this will give cops to much power, like i mention earlier about the cop that i proved wrong telling me he had a glock.... most new cops are on a power trip and are out to be dickheads...all u need is one of those dikheads to say you were racing and off to the crusher your car goes.... i reckon convicted street racers should be ordered by courts to attend crash scenes to help victems... maybe then theyll see wot can truely happen....
Why not do it as they do in the USA. Three Strikes & your out, No licence, No car & a stretch in the Big House. None of this, slap them on the wrist shit.(A fine, periodic licence suspension) If your average hoon is caught driving without a licence or suspended licence the first time, then in you go pal. I mean, how often do you read in the papers that some wanker that has lost his licence or never had one in the first place, has been caught, NOT ONCE, but several times & the courts let them out again. Until we, as responsible people can stop this hoon crap, the rest of us will suffer. It's getting so those of us with a nice sports car are now targetted by all & sundry as being of criminal intent to speed whenever we can. My 2 cents worth. Cheers Kerry
http://www.carrsq.qut.edu.au/documents/publication_022.pdf Even with all the attempts to minimize "hooning" the real problem on the roads is alcohol. I'm too lazy to search for statistics, but I bet that alcohol causes more deaths than illegal street racers do.
True that, roughly 25% of Driver's and motorcycle riders killed in crashes had a BAC of over 0.05... compare that to the 2% (actually it's 1.8%) of road fatalities that involved speeds above the legal limit for the road. What does this indicate? 98% of the crashes occur within the legal speed limits. So these crashes that account for 98% of the fatalities are caused by innexperience, bad decision making and not driving within your own and your car's limits. Interesting read: www.roadsense.com.au edit: Btw, this doesn't change my stance on street racing. Still think that the track is where the real racers belong.
I wouldn't call myself a street racer, bit of a hoon, but not in the burnout in the woolies car park type of way Race tracks, hmmm I don't know about everyone else but driving around on the same stretch of road with the same corners, the same straights etc, etc is not my idea of a fun drive. Sure the winning bit is good, as long as you have the dollars and skill to do it Drag strips, great fun, more for the social aspect and the little printout than anything. Doesn't make me slow down much afterwards, if anything it makes me yearn for more I'm a great fan of mountain runs (maybe because it's somewhere that the turbo's don't have a huge advantage), you never concentrate more than when your carving up a mountain at night. You get into it, time flies by, the cold air coming in the window, the adrenalin rush, wouldn't give it up for anything (until I'm old and have a family etc. ) As for the crushing of cars, that aint gonna help much. All that's going to happen is heaps of high speed pursuits with nasty endings. Really a young guy (such as myself) who loves his car, spends his every dollar on it, loves to drive. If he knows he's gonna lose it he's gonna run, I would and I'm sure many here would too. Andy would die if his V12 Z was taken from him, Sean would run till his turbo's blew (again ) :banned: All it will do it cause trouble, as soon as a few people have been killed running there will be public outcry to remove the ludicris laws. The selling off of offenders cars is a *slightly* better way, there's always a chance you will be able to pick your car back up at auction cheap. I'd rather have someone else get my car than it turned into a metal cube. Not everyone will agree with me, but meh.
