CHILI's Microtech ECU Dyno Run 27/1/05

No, its simply that I always keep an open mind

in my job there is always a lot of change. At the moment no one in the US agrees with you. Yes please email away. You had your opportunity to state your views to them on ttnet but you were strangely silent on your opinions. Z1 has stated clearly on the post. When you email SGP ask for "kyle" the shop mechanic, he runs the 10s with sidemounts. If you want to save time simply search on specialty Z and Greg will tell you he recommends sidemounts to 650 rwhp.

As well as their opinion Z1 has back to back dyno testing of several intercoolers to prove themselves. On top of that there are very good technical reasons why front mounts are not good for z32s. All this is against your opinion only with absolutely no back to back testing to back yourself up. If you can come up with some quality testing to prove the benefit of adding a front mount over quality sidemounts then Im happy to consider it.

 

And [A]

A: Enjoy shit-stirring to the highest degree.

 

Please don't twist

I did post my views and info and general results of our tests and results. I also explained teh whole story of the car tested as well as that the UAS intercooler was our earlier version I suspect with stainless pipes and not as good a core or end tanks whcih would have effected the results. Maybe you did not check the tread on ttnet? The thread has been locked for a few days now so I can't add anymore but there were three posts by me with lots of info and there is a reference and link to this forum and this thread so?
I have sent email to Russell at Z1 to start with.

 

Lot of info flying

You guys can learn some things between the crap. Wykked, personal attack come on if anything adding fuel to the fire but personal attacks you need to refer to Nathan's posts even the ones left on this thread. Most of his posts on this thread with personal attacks on me and others and the big one attacks and defaming a business. Most have fortunately been removed although it has taken a while to get to this point. All I said was "Zilsuv GO AWAY again you are just stirring and sticking your nose in. Your short ban from the forum seemed to have little effect."
I admit without the history it is a bit strong, however after over a year now of consistent and persistent clear undermining and attacks of Nathan towards me, my products or my business and anything I do or say I have had enough. He threatened this stating clearly on this forum publically about six months ago. I had sent him emails and pm's asking and requesting to basically stop the persecution and attacks and for the benefit of all not to get involved with me. I also said I would not get involved with him. But no if anything only more and worse. I ignored him and he asked sneaky or intimidating questions but usually he made clever exaggerated statements and planted many seeds of doubt, and deliberately miss quoted me or twisting what I had said on every occasion possible.
Calling me a liar and not to be trusted and making many statements that are slanderous or at a minimum damaging the reputation of me and or my business.
Wyked some milder examples of this I see is still on this thread earlier,referring to me he says " I don't know or care" and putting words in my mouth, twisting things totally and regularly, exaggerating things and jumping to conclusions etc I even tried to be impartial and think he is not doing it and not read too much into things but no many on this forum I talk to. I probably communicate to more members on this forum than anyone. Many comment on what Nathan says about me or UAS etc and confirm what is obvious to me and remark about him and his attacks. I know most would work it out it's mostly trumped up but many especially new zedders would not. I can't win saying nothing as he keeps going and going with a free reign of propaganda until I find I have to reply. I then reply and keep it as factual and simple as I can. This only seems to give him more ammunition to twist and re use similar words just totally different meaning, or telling part of the story and trumping things up. Even now resorting to verballing me on overseas forums. When ignoring him months back did not work when he was at it again I said I would ignore him and VTD even if only slightly slanderous or attacking me or my business or products etc. So please don't bother posting in the future. I had never VTD anyone prior to this. Did this stop him NO.
Nathan I am saving everything you say and one day I may have to take legal action. The theme is accumulative here!
Wyked don't side with him or give him an inch it will only make him worse. I submit he is by far the main problem with this forum not progressing like most of the other car forums.
Sorry to put this on forum but again I feel I have to explain myself, and hey you don't have to read it either or get involved, you try it, and think about what you would do if you were me? Also I think this needs to be addressed. I have been on this forum since the start and will be for many years and we have had more controversy with Nathan and not only against me but many other businesses and members. He has insulted intimidated or attacked more than anyone and everyone put together over the many years.
Lastly I submit that any posts we make to each other or referring there to either one of us should be deleted by moderators as they ALWAYS go down hill and people are sick of it. It would not take long and he and I would realise it is a waste of time posting.
Nathan you often say are not argumentative is the height of your hypocrisy.

 

I have just spent (wasted) 90 minutes going thru this thread

#1 Nice figures, Chili

#2 Thank God for NA's (with stock pulleys)

 

You need to remember John

That wykked can actually see all posts deleted or otherwise. So no use claiming that somehow all my "personal attacks" were deleted because wykked can see them for himself. I have made no attacks against you or your business, merely pointing out your incorrect in your assumptions

Now you used this line again 6 months ago. I believe that Ben believes you but remember that wykked himself told you I never said that. It was posted by another member.

I dont think anybody puts any words in your mouth. Your usually very clear in what you say, over and over and over again.

Wow, legal action? I would really love to see that. Considering that your the one who always attacks my posts. Your the only one that is always making personal attacks, I keep my discussion on topic. If it was anything I would say I could happily save all your posts for legal action Take this thread for example. My argument was against front mounts vs sidemounts. Its even discussing chilis car who is using your sidemounts. Your the only one who brings UAS into this and the first thing you did was jump into a personal attack.

I believe that honour goes to Chili. You and chili are the only ones I ever "argue" with. If you looked back over the threads you might notice you two are also the only ones that can never keep on topic and always resort to personal attacks. Sorry to bring you into this chili as I believe thats ancient history now.

I agree that all your posts should be deleted If anything I think this proves that you simply cannot keep business seperate from your personal posting, and no one can say anything about UAS without you verbally abusing them and now threatening legal action. In fact now it seems I cant even comment on 300zx parts in general without you bringing UAS into it. I think this is a very good reason for you to be removed from the forum.

 

lol, stupid bold font.

 

That's a bit childish. IMHO

This is a public forum.
Simply be nice to each other. None of this don't read or reply to my posts rubbish. And for gawd sake stop bringing up shit from the past GET OVER IT.
If you chose to ignore posts so be it but asking for that is a COS.
Ohhh yeah I have UAS sidemounts and I'm very happy with them... FMIC would in my not so perfect opinion outperform corners.
On the road in the real world though I prefer corners as my vehicle does not see sustained boost and is really low hp in my books.
Front mount on the track and corners on the street works well.
Kiss and make up guys.
Cheers,

 

Sorry guys, I really must apologise for whats gone on

I'm sorry for the above scandal but I was just minding my own business and making an extra effort to be nice and John abused me for absolutely no reason whatsoever and thats not very fair.

In fact he still keeps on abusing me even after Ive gone to great lengths to keep this on track.

My idea to do some back to back testing were both on UAS product so there wasnt even any need for John to start getting so aggressive. Quite a few other members also thought this would be a good idea. I have my opinion, which I have based on good theory, good support from major players, and good dyno data. John had his theory only but wanted to go to great lengths to discredit me as he doesnt like to appear to be "wrong" on the forum.

I should of just closed my mouth at the start but I really really hate seeing misinformation spread on the forum as gospel.

I wont post further on the issue, and look forward to Johns dyno testing and then some good discussion on the resuts if John can prevent himself resorting to insults.

My apologies for carrying on, but I was really anoyyed by such an out of the blue attack, then felt I needed to explain my reasoning why, so it was clear I wasnt just arguing for arguments sake.

Nathan

Happy Zedding guys!
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I will do the testing

I said I would and offered to send our corner mounts to you even but did not take up on the offer. Theory only hey, how many facts and results do you need and independent advice. Yes maybe only general as not exact before and after but as I said I will do that as you won't.
There you go again stating I am giving miss information. Yes I hate it to that is why I correct it when people are giving out wrong advice mainly when it can be damaging to a car. Like your statemnt that cold spark plugs can mean engine replacement, when this is actually more a prob if using too hot a spark plug. By the way isn't this increase in power thing with FMIC yet to be proven? Let us do the test. You and I both have referred to third parties. The big zed shops in USA, who I have emailed to clarify and will hopefully get a reply and will let everyone know, and my input of head designer from PWR totally independent I might add and specialist. Do you think it is possible that as I mentioned the UAS FMIC they tested was our earlier version and our version which I know is more efficient would make more than 1 hp increase according to Z1 test, which they say may not be accurate. I never said their test was wrong only that as I mentioned not current product and maybe only one run on dyno adn with more runs the difference would be much more like on Chili's car which is what I was referring to with my statemnt of the power increase before you twisted and confused and went about your mission on ttnet. So not black and white certainly not enough to insult me with your sweeping statements that I don't care or miss information etc. Keep in mind not just a person her but a business reputation. Unlike yourself giving out part of the story and twisting things. Again on the ttnet they were not given the whole story not stock turbo's and more timing to get more power. It was your miss information by leaving out these key points the subject diverted to what was better. I have sent an email to Z1 giving the whole story and lets see what they say.
You say you only argue with me and Chili what about Shifter here calling him childish and foolish etc only last week which was deleted as clearly in breach of the guidlines. Even threatening to Sue Stealth around mid last year. All he said was why can't you get along with people. "You said be carefull I will Sue you" How silly is that. You even arge with Ben and Wyked and just last week called Ben Pathetic. Now now denying the statement you made on the TTZED FMIC group buy, which others saw before it was quickly deleted. Just becasue Wyked did not confirm this, I guess Ben deleted it.
It seems everything you accuse me and others of is actually you only far worse. You are the king of slander, insults and misinformation, sweeping statemnts and getting your facts wrong. Again here stating you have gone to great lengths to keep things on track and then you attack again with sly remarks. I am starting to wonder if you can actually see what you say.
Sorry Egg and others but it is not just the many attacks from the past on me and many others but very current and on going. I think it needs to addressed for the benefit of all.

 

Excellent news Nathan......>

Does this mean that I can look forward to a ceasation of you making unsubstantiated comments about my supposedly being allowed to attack you (without cause), and an end to you trying to include me in your arguements with Shifter and JP???
BTW, how much damage do you think you have done to this forum in recent days, by ridiculing it's members on various other forums (and directing attention to this dispute)????

 

Just to stir the pot a bit > link

SMIC vs FMIC

 

But John.

All well and fine to bring up the old niggling shit.
But I must say, Nathan had just been banned for two weeks and he was NOT looking for trouble "this time".
I reckon he was making an added effort to be nice and your initial comments were totally uncalled for.
Some folks think to bite back makes you just as guilty as the initial stone thrower... well I DON'T!
If someone abused me for no reason I'd have a go back, and if I was trying my best to be nice to folks and got abused I really would be pissed off.
You should be sorry, this time YOU started it without doubt.
But hey, let it go and be nice in future! And leave all the old shit in the past.
Cheers,

 

Ouch

I am new to this site and for the life of me I can't follow the technical side of the arguements - but jeez this tiff does look almost comical to an outsider.

Hope you guys sort it out because this forum is one of the few places left in the world where there is still lots a goodwill between men (and women).

 

I just can't believe this thread is still going.

 

John......

How about you just send me your UAS SMIC? and i will do the testing.

By the way are the UAS SMIC made by UAS or are they made by someone else with UAS naming?

Max:thumbsup:

 

Sounds like a NSW/ACT threesome......

with Nathan as the gimp:LOL:

Chili nice dyno figures gives me something to look forward too as with stock internals etc... you got some good power.

Secondly i thought as probably many did that Nathans questions where in good benefit, it is good to see some actual figures on paper showing the benefit or FMIC vs SMIC.

Well will see the answer when the results will be done....hopefully soon.

Max:thumbsup:

 

I can't believe it's butter

 

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