And if that little speech doesn't sound like a sermon from Hell, then I'm a Foot-Runner. You're as bad as the people you claim to despise. I am not religious by nature, but I do have my personal beliefs, and they remain just that, personal. You on the other hand, seem determined to recruit us to your anti-religious rat-bagery. GIVE IT A BREAK! I'll go back to my room now, and pray to The Great Pumpkin for your eventual salvation.
in my opinion.. people come to aus300zx to talk about zeds... there are many individual forum sections... i dont see why you cant post religion opinions in NON ZED RELATED....its obviously not about zeds... and is a discussion section.. were people with similar opinions/interests like to discuss certain things. at the moment 12 people say we should allow religion talk in the forum... WHY NOT?? if someone beleives in God... dont descriminate them.. there just people with differant views... if you dont like it.. dont veiw the topic.. its easy... theres some posts i look at and just browse through them and dont take notice... simply because im not interested.. i say we should be able to discuss something that is presented to us everyday...
da vinci code ... lol.. !! .. a search will reveal a wonderful past thread discussing the book and movie .. and in that old thread we had one member,close to today's locked thread, claiming that the book constituted little other than one massive western conspiracy ... lol... the book is certainly a good read .... and on reconsideration, that da vinci thread may have even been deleted ..!!!
If only there were more people with your outlook, this discussion would not be necessary. Well said James.:zlove::zlove::zlove:
Through the belief of a higher being/existance, the open mind of accepting possibilities beyond our understanding is one of the reasons why man has evolved as far as we have over the lower animals. Trust me, we wouldn't be very far on the evolutionary scale if our minds were so narrow and closed. Religion was/still is a core of a civilised and orderly society. I think it should be able to be talked about occasionally, but to keep it low key and not be judgemental and keep politics and current world events seperate from religion. There was nothing wrong with that earlier link and dont see how even aethiests could be offended. I would have thought a true aethiest would have just shrugged it off, rather than fly off the handle....
The fact that so many people have viewed and posted on this thread would suggest that there is a big interest in this topic, despite the fact that everyone has differeing views. Should we pretend that the issue of religion doesn't exist, when clearly people want to discuss it??? Personally I am not only for discussing religion and politics but ANY NON ZED RELATED topic that people are interested in discussing!!! If you want to specifically talk zeds go over to Zed related... By the way...how does politics always get thrown in with religion. Although there may be some crossover, I think they are pretty different topics
BTW, I don't see why people get so worked up unless they are insecure or not 100% sure in their beliefs. If someone said "Hyundai Excels are better than zeds", it wouldn't phase me at all because I know that its just not true. I am 100% certain that zeds are better, and therefore would have no need to get angry... If you are an aethiest or believe in god, or whatever, and you truly do believe what you say you do, then why get so worked up over it? As long as people don't start preaching all over the forums (and that goes for aethiests as well as the religious ) I have no problem with people expressing their views... Besides, people can argue all they want but the fact is people ARE discussing religion on the forum, and the popularity of this thread shows that it is an issue that people obviously feel they need to discuss.
but people do start preaching all over the forums, that's the problem, also i have only ever mentioned anything remotely to do with religion in reply to some godfreak's post, i don't care what religious or non-religious views anyone holds but when they want to promote those views in this forum, i take offense and i am well within the boundaries of justification to do so and as for "what does it matter if they want to post religious preaching" to myself and a lot of other people it does matter, here is a little excerpt from a previous post in this thread by someone Quote: We would probably be savages and canabals if through out time there was communist like regiems like the one currently being practiced on this forum that doesn't let anyone talk about God. The very reason you can sit here in this beautiful country and enjoy having your life rotate a man made machine is because of the majority of people beleiving in God. Otherwise you would still be running around in undies practicing un-godliness pedophelia and so many un-humane acts that was abolished thanks to the Torah, Bible and Holy Quran. end quote that is what we are supposed to allow?? and to not get offended by??
How about a whole new section called Politics and Religion (unmoderated) LOL,. Seriously, if it was possible for such a large group to converse in this arena without it developing into a shit fight "Every single time" then I would welcome it. But as we obviously can not do that, IMHO keep it off our forum
Haha LMFAO! I'm with you Mike I'm all for a discussion but that's NEVER what they turn out to be... and this 'discussion' is headed in the same direction I thinks...
I proposed such a section (within moderation) a little while back in the forum discussion section...the mod's seemed to think it would detract from the forum so the idea was vetoed... but there is enough evidence in this thread to support their decision to do so... some among us are so overtly childish that it would be foolish to think they could ever argue with any civility...so I'm voting no...and will be happy to discuss such high brow topics as reality television and sporting events within the NZR section...which it seems must cater for the lowest common denominator.
OK... so some people can't discuss this topic without arguing, but I don't see why people feel they have to read the threads or reply if they don't want to. The name of the topic clearly states that it is concerned with religion/politics. If you aren't interested then why post? I agree with pexzed...maybe there should be a totally separate forum area for these sorts of delicate issues, but I don't think that a forum (a place where people come to discuss things) should restrict certain topics that some people clearly feel the need to discuss. BlackheartedProfit, I am glad that you have found the meaning (or lack of meaning) in existance, but not everyone has made up their mind and may still feel the need to discuss religion. If you are not one of them then I don't see why you feel the need to become so involved. Also I notice that you "take offence to religious preaching", except I don't see how you can say that when you make comments such as "i look at pictures of beautifull scenery and i appreciate it for what it is, a perceptually pleasing combination of the natural universe, no god need apply"Sounds pretty preachy to me... It seems that believers and non-believers alike can not help but impose their views on others...therefore we should have a seperate section if people want to discuss this topic, because clearly a group this large and diverse can not do it without someone getting offended.
I don't really care that much either way. But having said that, this is a Zed forum and it's hard enough keeping up with the new posts as it is. There must be 100s of dedicated religion forums with posts from people who really want to talk about it. My 10% tithe. Bless you, Evan.
the argument that some people still are thinking about religion or non- rel.. no offense i know there is alot of knowledge in the members here.. but i wouldn't be seeking religous advice from a car forum aye lol and the rest of us don't care.... I myself am an anglican, and im proud of it.. i come to aus'300zx'.com for the love of the zed ... not of the religion of the day... lets just keep it civil and friendly peoples! ok..... group hug :zlove:
There is enough evidence in this thread (the poll) to supporty the finding that the mojority of members are not interested in "discussions that become arguements". The posts by AK and a few other members (already deleted) go a long way to backing the beliefe that a discussion about beliefes will always end in an arguement and insults. My inbox is full of emails requesting this thread be deleted, but I'm going to leave it up for a little longer so hopefully everyone will see it.
can I change my vote (-_-) Yeah...true I wish I could change my vote now...It would be nice if we could discuss this stuff with an open mind, but I now see that someones always gonna be offended... I am happy to keep it to zeds...the religion we can ALL agree on
