HyperGears Twin ATR25 Turbocharger VG30DETT Build up Thread

Discussion in 'Technical' started by HyperGear, Apr 14, 2008.

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  1. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    hot tank

    the hole engine, its a fkn mess.
     
  2. Claymen

    Claymen Active Member

    If this fits without modification why is the dump cut?
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  3. HyperGear

    HyperGear New Member

    You sure its been cut? do you have a photo of stock dump pipe? Thats what its like when we pulled it apart, we never modified the dump.

    Even if the dump pipe has that bit on the top Its not on the way of any bits of the turbo.
     
  4. Pilot.P

    Pilot.P New Z'lander

    Since you have the engine out and all, can you please take pics of the turbos side by side and compare? Those are huge compressors and turbines if the housing is still the same size...will be interesting to see the difference.

    btw FYI, you got the specs the other way around.

    On your website:
    Compressor wheel:
    Inducer: 49.5 mm
    Exducer: 60 mm

    Turbine wheel:
    Inducer: 46.2
    Exducer: 53

    It should be:
    Compressor wheel:
    Inducer: 49.5 mm
    Exducer: 60 mm

    Turbine wheel:
    Inducer: 53
    Exducer: 46.2

    Remember the inducer on the turbine wheel is the overall measurement (like the exducer of the compressor wheel)

    Will be great if you can post pics - both hot side and compressor side. The turbos you have are bigger than the discontinued sports 550's which were t28/t28 in manual z (.63) housing. Only concern I have would be lag, pretty sure you can reach the hp you are claiming. Dyno result afterwards will be interesting.
     
  5. rom-vg30dett

    rom-vg30dett Always Broke

    Of course its been cut. You can't make a cast part with a 90 degree cut in it. The tooling wouldn't allow it.


     
  6. SedatZX

    SedatZX Tyranus

    Your going to get shit all gain with the stock and restrictive dump pipes, chuck on some tune agent dumps good bang for buck for the price.
     
  7. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Nar tuneagent dumps are shit and flow no better than stock. Not a long enough split to reduce turbulence, not big enough to significantly improve flow. I had some on old stock motor and have before and after dynos...

    If he wants an upgrade then put something on that is truly an upgrade, plenty of better options than tuneagent.

    Or run with stock.
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2008
  8. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah was thinking the same thing...

    That thing is nasty looking :eek:
     
    Last edited: May 17, 2008
  9. HyperGear

    HyperGear New Member

    More updates. trail fitted both side turbo. How ever left hand comp inlet pattern angle is slightly different to stock.

    The Inlet pattern angle of both stock turbos are actually different. will have to make custom inlet pipe for both turbos or just fibracate the left hand inlet pipe

    Left hand turbo:
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    The actuator is awaiting to be fitted, and the dump pipe needs to be securied.
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    Right hand turbo:
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    Last edited: May 17, 2008
  10. HyperGear

    HyperGear New Member

    This could be interesting to see. Comparing ATR2x and 3x Turbo cores.

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    Please note we have decided to use a smaller Turbine wheel and a different trimmed comp wheel for better responds and efficiency on the ATR25. The housing of the little suckers is just too small.
     
  11. rollin

    rollin First 9

    not this shit again............
     
  12. rollin

    rollin First 9

    I think you blokes are barking up the wrong tree. It looks uncut to me

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  13. Claymen

    Claymen Active Member

    Yer from that angle it looks uncut :)

    It's been a very long time since i've seen stock dumps. Not to mention that angle sucked :)
     
  14. rollin

    rollin First 9

    Im gonna have to dig out my old dumps cos im sure they dont look like that :confused:

    But then its been a while since i looked at them too
     
  15. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    The shit from people talking up a product they obviously haven't tested???

    I'm still waiting for you to show me the dyno sheets that show improvement
     
  16. rollin

    rollin First 9

    waiting for me? my test wont eb fair since i have done countless other mods since then. AS i said before there have been dyno sheets posted before showing little to no top end gain but quite a bit of midrange.

    It has also been noted by other members that their cars were unable to boost over 15-16psi with the stock dumps where as with the PZP dumps they can boost more.

    When i had a manual boost controller in mine, it could make 20 psi at under 3k RPM witht he PZP dumps.



    But this is not the point of the thread. There have been 2 big threads in relation to you dislike of the PZP dumps, i think that is enough
     
  17. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Has nothing to do with my like or dislike of them, but blatantly false statements about the merits of particular product. Also not just PZP dump pipes, these have been around as tune agent etc long before the most recent group buy. Same product, same result.

    Where are the observations from members?

    Where are the dyno sheets?

    According to you any claims made without dyno sheets (regardless of credibility of those making them) are equivelent to ebay BS...

    As far as I know i'm the only one who has posted back to back dyno and the results aren't flattering. Last time we had this argument you were going to post some dyno sheets. Still waiting.

    I'm sure once the money has been spent they certainly sound or feel faster.

    As long as people keep posting how good these are without any backup, I will keep responding that i've been there and tried that and in my experience the dyno does not show an improvement. This was long before any group buy.

    Often if a product is cheap enough people will buy it regardless of quality.
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2008
  18. rollin

    rollin First 9

    Let me correct you.

    Let me correct you there . Firstly there is a difference between statements and opinions . ALot of people have opinions on the pzp dumps and so pass comments on them . They are well within their rights to do so.

    You are missing the point about proof. You were criticised for not providing proof when you were advertising THE BEST dumps on the market. It is an entirely different thing to make a comment on a product.

    Nobody posts dyno sheets on a kakimoto exhaust for example but they still have the right to say that it is a good product without you coming in and mouthing off.

    To correct you again i would like to make it clear again that yes i can post dyno sheets but there is no point as the car is running in an entirely different state than it was.

    As i said before there have been some sheets posted but in 15mins of searching i couldnt find them so i gave up. please feel free to continue the search.

    Id like to know if you have dyno sheets to support all the comments you make on products while pimping them for UAS? Have you got any for the famous king shit dump pipes yet? or are you being completely hipocritical?
     
  19. rollin

    rollin First 9

  20. K-zed

    K-zed Secret Squirrel

    ENOUGH!

    This side argument is detracting from the thread. No more posts will be tolerated on the merits or otherwise of TA dumps.
     
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