Cheap HID Upgrade for Z32!

Discussion in 'Non Technical' started by bluecube, Aug 13, 2008.

  1. GOTBLZ

    GOTBLZ (White_Griffin)

    Don't really need one, just pull it out of the box plug the bluish/grayish plug into the ballast and then the two spade connectors into the stock ZX light bulb plug (that you pull the globe off.) Put the globes in the original ZX sockets, and pretty much presto.

     
  2. P.leBron

    P.leBron Pete = ZXtremist

    Ok, so basically iv only managed to take out the stock bulb:cool:

    Now to clear the rest of the job up, the things in the red circle, do they just plug into where the stock bulb was?

    And the plugs in the yellow and the blue circle... They dont go into each other do they?

    Once again, i have no idea:lame:

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  3. pexzed

    pexzed Forum Administrator

  4. WazTTed

    WazTTed Grease Monkey

    pexy. can u have the hid plugged into the loom. and then have the other plug (the 2 spade plugs) directly hard wired 2 the chassis as a ground?
     
  5. pexzed

    pexzed Forum Administrator

    I'd be inclined to wire it as designed, and then follow my tech artile if you want to keep the HID low beam on when hghs are active.

    It's tried and tested
     
  6. mantastic001

    mantastic001 New Member

    Hey guys, I just installed mine :) and am really happy with the difference!!! Although I'm just wondering how to adjust the way they are aimed... I think the drivers side light is aimed higher, creating an uneven spread of light? The light from the passenger side seems brighter. Any ideas? I don't want to attract too much attention :rolleyes:
     
  7. ZXTCY

    ZXTCY Banned

    we have a tech section lol

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  8. mantastic001

    mantastic001 New Member

    Whoops

    Hehe :eek: Must have missed that bit :rolleyes: Thanks heaps!
     
  9. jschrauwen

    jschrauwen My Fairlady Z

    I've found my after market HID bases to be different. The halogen H3C bulb that I removed had a round and a square notch out of opposite ends of the base. The HID base has two sets of round and square notches on their base. Which is the correct set to use? When installing in the garage and comparing light patterns of both HID's on the closed garage door 2ft away, I find the driver's side pattern to be slightly less sharp than the passenger's side. A slight lifting of the back of the bulb base (raising the bulb up in the projector housing) while installed in the socket, pushes the beam pattern down slightly on the garage door but also creates a much improved (read sharper) beam pattern. Has anyone encountered this?
    I'm still not happy with the beam pattern and light quality of my HID's. Reason being is that I recently done a simlar HID conversion on my 2000 Audi A4 and the beam pattern is near perfect (read - looks nearly identical to oem factory Xenon projector lights with better light dispersion and a sharper beam pattern). I'm not looking for perfect but was expecting a little better results than what I've got so far.
     
  10. bluecube

    bluecube Senior member

    The H3 HID set that I got had the square notch on one end and the circle on the other end. H3C has nothing to do with the base. It is only the wiring. There is no such thing as a H3C base - its just a scam that some ebay ppl try to get you to spend more for it.

    You might need to check the hold down spring as it is what keeps the bulb in the housing. Mine fits like a glove. Perhaps your set was just a bad batch? Did you get it from the same guy as me?

    The problem with comparing z32 headlights with a 2000 model audi is that they are totally difference housings. THe reason your light isnt as good in the Z32 is because they have crap headlight magnifyers/reflectors. Its just a shit design therefore other cars (even falcons / commodores) will always have better light than the Z32. All the bulb does is provide the light. Clarity, width, dispersion etc are all from the headlight housing. HID's don't affect these things.

    The drivers side and passenger side headlight housings are actually designed differently and are meant to be that way. They are not supposed to have the same beam. If they did then ppl in oncoming traffic would get blinded.
     
  11. jschrauwen

    jschrauwen My Fairlady Z

    Wow, how long have you been familiar with HID's, projectors, and car illumination?
    First, the Z's headlights are not crap. If they were that lambo that used the same lights would also have made a bad choice in lighting. If you were to go onto HID Planet (one of the leading sources for HID upgrades, modification and mods, etc) you'll find that the Z's outer projector clear lense is one of the most sought after items in the Xenon projector world.
    2nd, if you were to compare the H3C and Xenon bulb you would see a very discernable difference. The difference being in the layout of the base but moreover, the size of the glass bulb part itself. As with most Xenon bulbs, and with no exception for the H3, they are fairly long and thin, whereas the H3C is short, stubby and fat. The Z's projector housing was designed to accomodate a short stubby bulb. The configuration of the parabolic reflective lense in concert with the clear focal lense is a precise measurement. The H3C bulb is placed at a specific point in that precise combination of measured lengths to optimize the optics desired. Now, replace that bulb with a Xenon bulb that has a completely different length and therefore dispensing it's illumination from a different focal point. Yes there is more and better light with a Xenon bulb but that light is not maximized due to it's offsetting focal position relative to the original design of that projector. So yes, while there is an observed improvement, it by no means is the best solution. A Xenon bulb that emulates the same focal size as it's halogen brother would be optimal.
    3rd, the Z's headlight housings are not designed different. What you're refering to is the shield(s) that are built into the projector. The shields are basically a thin piece of metal cut in a relative rectangular shape and placed within the projector housing. The shield is used to create a cut-off pattern of light. Again, do a search on HID Planet's site on shields to get the full story on it's design and purpose. Suffice it to say they will generate the horizontal cut-off of your beam pattern. As well, shields are designed in some cases to create the curbside/roadside illumination. What people would refer to as the flare. The shield will have a specific pattern cut into it to create that intended flare up to the curbside. In this way one can see more of what is to the side of the road with the light pattern flaring upward in that direction while the horizontal pattern cut-off will remain completely straight to the other side to avoid blinding the oncoming drivers. That was the whole purpose to that design when Bosch came out with that as well as the other French designed projectors.

    It may be worthwhile to have a look on HID Planet's site for some indepth HID, Xenon and projector info.
    http://www.hidplanet.com/main.html
    http://www.hidplanet.com/forums/
     
  12. bluecube

    bluecube Senior member

    Geez mate no need to get defensive.

    Firstly, the H3 and H3C base is the same. Your HID base may be different but H3 and H3C types have the same base.

    You can actually purchase H3 HIDs with a shorter bulb if you want it.

    Secondly, from what you have said it is clear that the drivers / passenger lights are different. I said the housings a different. You said its the projector that different. Does it really matter? Its pretty clear the effect is that both lights emit a different beam? I dont see any need to argue this.

    Btw I love my Z but I dont pretend that the lights are awesome. Regardless of whether Lambos use the same light, they are still lacking. If you compare the light emitted from a standard falcon / commodore lens then it is clear who wins (it aint the Z32)
     
  13. BigCol

    BigCol That's what she said...

    In comparison, Zed headlights are poor compared to almost all vehicles.

    I recall reading in one of the books I have that it cost Nissan a packet to have them designed & created with the desired angle of slope. I expect that Lambo used the same light housings has the zed has very little to do with their lighting ability and more about recouping costs for a similarly designed vehicle.

    Besides, if they were any good you would have expected them to appear on more than just 1 series of Lambo, correct?
     
  14. jschrauwen

    jschrauwen My Fairlady Z

    True enough, good point.






    Sorry, no intention about being defensive. Nissan didn't do us any favours by chosing the H3C bulb as it's light source. I guess you could call it semantics about both lights being different, but reality both projectors put out the same beam pattern with a flare to the left as intended.
    H3 Xenon bulbs with shorter crystals?? I've never heard of that and didn't see it on that vendors list. I'm afraid where I live there are no Falcons or Commodores to compare with. I used a rough comparison with my 2000 Audi as it was also a halogen projector which I did an HID upgrade with to much greater results. Due in part I would assume to the Xenon bulb being exactly the same size as the original halogen one.
    I just added a crescent shaped spacer into the bottom of the base mounting for the H3 Xenon bulb and achieved a slightly better focused beam pattern. It could also be that the metal H3C bulb's base is thinner than the plastic base of the Xenon bulb.
     
  15. bluecube

    bluecube Senior member

    I found this one from an online supplier (www.xenon-bulbs.com). I havent checked ebay for them. But you can buy lots of seperate bulbs which I belive fit most ballasts. It is still larger than a normal H3 style but it is heaps shorter than most HID ones.
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    That is a good idea to use a spacer with the bulb!

    I've been thinking about getting HIDs for my fog lights also (but im concerned that they will blind everyone!). But they would be great to use when driving somewhere really dark like a mountain road etc. Coz I find my high beams don't help much.

    Are you still using the normal park light bulbs? I want to find a bulb that is more of a white colour coz it looks a bit dodgy with bright white HIDs with crappy yellow park lights below.
     
  16. jschrauwen

    jschrauwen My Fairlady Z

    Some things to consider post HID install.
    Because the bulb length is much longer, focused beam patterns might be slightly askew. Try to confirm correct low beam alignment since I believe the AU Z's are the same as the JDM one's having separate up/down left/right adjustment for each pod. Once the low beams have been aligned, do the high beams as well. I would suggest the next step would be to do the dual high/low beam mod. This is a simple task and it's in the tech section. This allows you to run both the high and low beams on at the same time. Once that's done give it a good trial on some very dark back roads and see if this isn't adequate already. If your high beam is aligned correctly it's bottom part of it's beam pattern should overlap the upper portion of the low beam's pattern. If it's still not up to your needs, and your fog lights don't add the extra needed than perhaps doing an HID mod for the high beams as well. One thing to consider for that is the FTP (Flash To Pass) function will still work but puts a good strain on the igniters for the HID's when it recieves those short blasts from the FTP.
    Placing HID's in the fog's is a good idea but please don't remove the shields inside. It's the light's only real way of guiding the beam pattern to prevent blinding oncomers. If the shield is removed, than you loose the gain you were looking for and the beam pattern will be more scattered and less productive.
    I still have a standard halogen bulb for the high beam as well as for the fogs at present. In fact I've retained an amber parker bulb in the fogs that you can see in my sig pic. I think over the course of this (my) winter, I'll be doing an HID mod for the fogs as well. Since the fogs take H3's I was considering putting my 6000k low beam ones into the fogs and getting 4300k H3C or H3's for the low beam. That's what got my curiosity in this thread. I was hoping that there was a true H3C HID bulb out there.
    I am curious though, has anyone actually ever got an actual H3C HID kit from anywhere/anyone? When I ordered my set from ebay they explaoned that it was H3C when in fact the bulb and packaging says H3 only. I had several emails back and forth to the vendor saying that this isn't what I ordered and that he was misleading people. He knew fully well that the H3 would fit the H3C but continued to advertise the H3C knowing that he would ship the same H3 kit instead.
    So, are there actually H3C kits out there?
     
  17. MikeZ32

    MikeZ32 das Über member

    H3C is just the connector type on a standard halogen bulb. Since the xenon globes attach to the ballasts there is no need to worry about technicalities such as H3C/H3 because the bulb hosing is exactly the same.

    He is most likely advertising it as such so people who aren't familiar with it aren't put off by the non affect specs. I don't think it's misleading @ all.


    Also John, if you just wanted to match the fog lights to the HIDs, consider getting some LEDs parkers instead. Since you have a RHD Jap model, I'll assume the fog light has 1 x H3 globe inside and 1 x wedge bulb. The wedge bulb is the one that comes on when your HID low beams are on so why not just replace them with white LEDs?

    I've considered replacing the H3 halogen with HIDs in the foglights, to get the bulb in there will need some rewiring as you only have 1 power connector on the foglight housing but there are two bulbs inside. Too tedious for very little gain IMO.
     
  18. Scott Martine

    Scott Martine Rollin on DUB's

  19. bluecube

    bluecube Senior member

  20. Scott Martine

    Scott Martine Rollin on DUB's

    Lol okay oscar the grouch, thanks for the answer.

    Back in the trash can with you.
     

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