TwinZ Design products Pre-order

Hello guys,

We have been working with UAS to make our products available in Australia and we're offering the lowest prices we can, but that implies getting to minimal order quantities of each type of product to make those prices possible.

These minimal order quantities are as follow:

- 20 rear diffusers (a mix of 2+0 and 2+2 units)
- 20 rear spoilers
- 20 side skirts (a mix of Type I and Type II versions)
- 6 rear bumpers (a mix of 2+0 and 2+2 units)
- 20 nose panels (a mix of Type I and Type II versions)

The prices we gave to our dealer are based on a final order (made from our dealer) of a bulk with the sume of all the products mentioned above...and not just 20 diffusers and 20 nose panels...so any type of product that doesn't meet its minimal order quantity will affect the prices for all the other products.

Sadly, we are not getting anywhere close to the units we need to sale on this pre-order...we have got in only 2 weeks, more pre-orders in Mexico than what we have got in Australia in over 6 weeks.

What do you guys think is the problem with this pre-order? Any ideas?

 

The time line

The time line is open ended, could be 6 months - 9 months (or longer) before the product is received by the purchaser, and that's if you get enough numbers to begin with, I know when I saw the group buy post and the numbers needed I thought 'yeah right, fat chance this deal will get up'

The people who signed on must have a long term view and a particular goal in mind for their zed, they are prepared to wait. Maybe if you said we are going to send these to Australia in a year, but take orders now and allowed people to pay 50/100 a month then people will have a definative time line and payment would be in small increments and thus more affordable thus more interest in the gb.

The way twin z and UAS Structure these deals shits me as twin z won't send product to UAS without are large down payment and UAS doesnt want to outlay a large amount of cash to order the numbers needed cause they don't think they can sell them all quickly enough to recover their money and Make some profit. So the end purchasers are the ones funding the transaction, you don't see many retailers doing this, because they have access to trade financing from a bank I suppose.

Disclaimer: my view is not a shot at UAS or twin z, not trying start another shit storm/trial by public forum. Kudos to them for trying.

 

I'd say it's also, to some degree, the price attached to the items. Although they are (for the most part) within spec to what one would expect to be paying for a quality/exclusive item such as your pieces, they are still an expensive piece. When you factor in the fact that there is so much uncertainty, as well as the large down-payment the purchasers are expected to give without a definitive expected time of arrival, as well as the fact that there is such a large pre-order requirement (whilst understandable to keep logistical costs down, it's still a pretty hefty number) so many will just not want to bother as it sometimes seems all too hard...

That being said, I really want that wing.

 

I'm gonna be a cheapskate here and say it outright. Your prices are expensive.

Not saying it's not worth it, you get what you pay for in every sense, it's just that a lot of people here are on very tight budgets with their zeds, and can't afford/justify the cost. After the initial purchase, they then have to get it sprayed/fitted, so a $600 rear bar suddenly turns into a $1000 rear bar...

Food for thought.

 

my rear bar was 1200 to my door...

 

I think the prices are fine And you wouldn't have a problem selling your product if they where available locally.
I know i would buy i just don't have the money to commit right now but looking at the numbers required and no delivery date i might be able to get in on this .sorry to all those who want it now
Its just a shame that it has to be a GB with such large numbers required to be financially viable.
Bracket- carmate bars turn into $1000 bars and there still carmate bars, i know what i would have.

 

i believe he problem is with the order quantitys.

poeple do want your products, this has been proved by its good sales success everywhere you sell it, i own one of your rear bars already, and its good gear.

you are putting the pressure on the end buyer to meet the minimum buy requirements, when you "should" be putting that pressure on your agent here in australia. the agent is responsible for selling the stock, and should be willing / able to hold the stock here in australia for sale if the minimum requirement is not met.

 

What do you guys think is the problem with this pre-order? Any ideas?

Because your minimum order quantities are ridiculously high, no doubt generated by greed between yourself and the distributor here. And the waiting period between us paying and the bits arriving (read mounts and mounts) while someone holds all our deposits in there own account is just wrong. We should be able to by directly from an Australian supplier, who has the balls to get the pieces in stock ready to ship, and not be held over a barrel because the someone is holding thousands of dollars in members deposits in some account somewhere, in which case they can do whatever they want, tell us whatever they want, and off-course we have to ware it.
Nice bits though, now get your act together.

 

I may be speaking for myself, but If I buy a product I want it at my door as soon as possible. I realize your a small time body shop compared to your competitors but it seems your gauging interest and funding the production at the same time. While this is probably the best business move it puts me off, don't 'release' something unless its ready for sale. People like me see this and then cancel their plans to buy your product because they realize it will take too long to get it. The prices are a bit rich also..

Dont get me wrong though, I love your products. They look fantastic, I just can't wait a 6-12 months

 

This post is completely out of order. It is offensive for this member to accuse the manufacturer(and the Aust. agent/distributor)of greed.
NOBODY, in business, is going to order(and pay thousands of dollars)for "specialised" goods from overseas, on the supposition that potential buyers will come good with the money, when asked.
Any reputable business will demand a deposit(at least)for anything that has to be ordered in from overseas(when you buy from CZP or AMS, both very reputable companies)do they send the goods before receiving payment? Of course not.

 

TZP

asked for an opinion Loyd, greed may be a little harsh a term, and on reflection i could have worded it differently, but it stands as is.

"NOBODY, in business, is going to order(and pay thousands of dollars)for "specialised" goods from overseas"

I've just had installed, a rather expensive solar system, every part of the system was made o/s, afaik no company in australia produces these same products. The company who installed the system had all the components at hand, ready to go, "specialized" can be as broad or narrow a term as you like.

 

Did they include Pluto?

 

You

do understand Pluto has been declassified, and is no longer a planet in our solar system,

 

that's why I asked. you know sign up now and we will include Pluto at no extra cost

 

I really don't care I just want to get the bolt on defuser at a realistic price I don't mind paying the money!! (including postage/freight )And its a shame we are held to ransom In Australia (if that's the word I'm looking for) And as I asked once before could I buy It direct form you (Twin z) your reply was the group by Here in Oz well It doesn't appear that's its going to happen so my question is will you sell me one directly? And if the group buy goes ahead I'm in but I am not going to hold my breath!!!!! SORRY PEOPLES JUST VENTING!!!!

 

Exactly, the postage also kills it for some people. $1200, then paint/fitment.

Not so much bashing prices as I'm stating that they are a bit pricey for some people.

 

I'm gonna echo a few views slightly.

The biggest problem, all the fiddly bits to do with deposit and agent crap aside, is the sheer size of the Aus300ZX community. Lets face it. We're tiny compared to overseas markets. Thats the way it's always been.

We can't meet the pre-order minimum because there are far too few active members around who could actually order, pay, and wait for the item.

I mean seriously, theres over 80 parts there. Each single one is considered out of the budget range of most members around here so right there you've kinda shot yourself in the foot by requesting such a high pre-order. Just think about it for a moment, that is the mimimum before TWZ goes ahead and starts production. Are there even 80 genuine active members around here?

I understand that's business and its not worth it to make any less, but sadly like I said, the reality is we just don't have the numbers to meet your requirements.

Frankly given enough time, I'd be happy to pay your prices despite me thinking they are expensive (you get what you pay for though), but I would want the items within a week or two, not months, or God forbid, over a year.

There just isn't an easy fix here.

The only possibly solution I could think of is to tack our orders on with another region's orders to create one big order. It would mean more waiting, but it's still got a better chance then seeing us Aus300ZX boys make an order on our own.

MoulaZX

 

+1

 

I hope your not referring to me because you've completely twisted my words