PentRoof Z32

I'm the same as mafi.

It's not a small thing at all.

I did see a similar yellow Z with the Pentroof tuned stainless manifolds and Greddy TD05's and an assortment of other stuff. JUN cams and all sorts of goodies.

I reckon $15k-$20k
$30k-$40k if it had the hot motor full of goodies.

 

"There are some high power versions appearing over here from the Japanese tuning companies such as Pentroof, Impul, Stillen and Tommy Kiara etc which still demand a premium and two have recently sold over here for just under ?10k. Still not bad considering the Pentroof Z32 is over 400bhp and has some seriously expensive bits on it (Some ?40ks worth)"

Interesting price.

 

Firstly Craig - just because you ranted for 20 minutes was "laughable" in itself! Not only were you "hypocritical" in your reply, but you also took things I said out of context. I never claimed to know you either - but while we are calling the kettle black - you also suggested that Yella wouldn't post in this tread again in a later post (do you know him?) - you were wrong again.

Secondly I was critical of your constructive criticism. You "kindly" devalued Yella's zed and potentially sabotaged any chance of him selling it on this forum. If there are any discerning buyers left I am sure they will crawl up under it and check what turbo's it has. Because it is currently missing the wing and exhaust is hardly "dodgy". Your insinuated accusations are grossly wrong again - these were removed prior to sale in Japan. Your comments I feel are only self serving to reduce the owners claimed value for possibly your own gain?? Or perhaps that's just your helpful nature? Either way you succeeded.

 

What a load of crap :W:

 

I didn't say you claimed but "insinuated" through your choice of words that I was not a "true zed enthusiast". I am actually a car enthusiast who really enjoys his cars, especially a few particular models and am not so narrow minded to try suggesting like you that because I am into GTRs that this prescribes the type of person I am.

Yes I suggested, I didn't make an unfounded statement but an observation on his posting pattern at the time. I'm glad he did post again, but he just seems to turn a blind eye to anything that he doesn't like the sound off.

He devalued and sabotaged his own Z with his own posts, I simply pointed it out plainly...do you think we should keep it all hush for some poor guy to get swindled on "THE pentroof Z" which is sounding more and more like it's no were near complete without any confirmation from the owner. I made the point though in the purpose of trying to ascertain exactly what the car had so people are better able to help him in his enquiry - what's wrong with all of this? You sound like black should be white and white black. Anyone interested in the car at all would be asking the exact same questions.

I never said it was dodgy, stop putting words in my mouth - did you fail to see with your retarded cross eyed vision that I listed other plainly visible illegal parts in reply to his reason on not replacing the GT wing but it was not in anyway an attempt to disrespect his car or to call it's quality into question. Your a twister of words for certain :bash:

The only way people are going to be happy with the value of the car is if the owner puts up the proof himself, he hasn't done himself any favours yet but it obviously doesn't matter since he intends to keep it, therefore he doesn't care anymore about convincing any of us.

The only help you've been is to blindly defend the unknown. I think I have succeeded in showing what a douche you are .

Cheers,

Craig

 

Until a price is set no one can really come out to play so lets all just go away... that is all I have to say, good day.

 

2nded. Everyone has their own opinion of what this is worth. I think Chrispy put it well when he said it is a heavily modded and kitted zed with an original engine. I note it is around 20 years old so probably between $10-12K maybe on current sale prices.

What the PentRoof title and associated fame are worth in addition, is the question here. It's a niche market you are targeting.

If I was a buyer, they would mean nothing to me I'm afraid. Most people who have the money to spend big on these cars are older and want the genuine original article. Thats just my opinion-but you did ask for opinions also!

 

I don't want to keep this going. I would simply point out that indications are that the car I have is the one in the video. Pentroof have obviously tuned more than one car. They are a Tuning House, after all. The fact that they have a dyno chart for an engine putting out 700hp is irrelevent.

I never claimed to have a car that puts out 700hp. I simply said that to the best of my knowledge and after multiple attempts to engage PentRoof in giving me history of the car in Hot Version 59 I received enough information to tell me that it is the same car.

Viewing the video and examining the car there is overwhelming evidence to support this assumption. I also believe it was used for still shots of all the accessories listed on their website. It does have the prototype bonnet.

To me it is interesting to own the car which appeared in a commercial video, driven by a couple of well-known Japanese race drivers who all you experts should know immediately. (If you don't, you are not as expert as you claim). To me this adds some value.

The attack dogs immediately jumped all over me making a lot of insulting and unjustified statements, which is what they do, if you read some of their history on this Forum. I don't know if it's childish jealousy or simply an inferiority complex, but they obviously have issues.

They derisively dismiss those of us who do not have grease under our fingernails as somehow unworthy of owning a Zed. The fact that I pay someone to pamper my cars does not make me less of an enthusiast. If I have not personally stripped down an engine and catalogued the parts in order to value my car it is surely irrelevent.

The Mona Lisa is worth about $10 if you list the materials used. Jim Clark's Indianapolis winning Lotus is old and probabaly worth about $5000 in parts. This is the way these people view the world.

Fortunately they are far outnumbered by the members who actually know what they are talking about. To them I say "Thanks for your support"

 

In that case, the video states it has 380PS which is very close to 380HP which is 283KW and would have to be RWKW with how the car accelerates in the video. So this would mean that the information Blackbeast posted is incorrect and invalid, so it would not have the TD06s.

This only further beckons the quesiton though, what does it have? If you do decide to sell it at some point, this is obviously a crucial bit of information for its selling power and could be as easy as getting a good Aussie tuning shop to put it on a hoist and go over it for a few hours. No potential buyer would demand you open the engine up but a lot can be told simply by a knowing eye getting in amongst the engine bay.

I don't believe you clearly stated that it was not the 700HP version, leaving it open to misleading interpretation:

If it had the TD06s, this would infer it is the 700HP model which by the above it is not. It is this line of inconclusive information on the car that caused people to post in frustration as most were posting to help in the evaluation but without facts, how can they properly evaluate it?

Mafi was doing the exact same as me, posting in support of the car and providing evidence by the engine bay pics (which is now invalid as it's sourced from the 700HP model article) but as soon as he questioned the turbos simply trying to verify for others so that a clearer picture can be made of what we are evaluating, you turn on him Yella as if you have something to hide.

I can't see one post in this thread actually saying or implying that about you. You don't have to personally strip down the engine to have a good idea what it has (obviously not internals though, but if enough conclusive evidence can be gathered you can most likely link it to a particular build by Pentroof) and it is very relevant since without an engine, a car has little worth. The engine and what it has can be one of the biggest selling points. Mafi was not pulling a value on the car from just the engine, the fact was this is one very unclear area on the car and he was trying to ascertain its details so he could work it into the overall equation (overall condition, other mods, heritage value, kms, power, etc, etc...) of what he thinks your car may be worth - can't you see that he was actually trying to help you but simply got frustrated running into a brick wall each time he tried to get info from you.

You get out as much as you put into this forum and I can't see that you've really made an attempt in this thread to put much into working with people ready to help you out if you could simply provide the information they are asking for in an attempt to provide what you asked for.

Cheers,

Craig

 

I knows it been and gone and probably futile saying anything on this subject now, but I totally agree with what people are saying about the turbos/engine mods.
If a prospective buyer went and looked at the car with a certain mental image of what engine mods its got based on Pentroof specs, then asked for confirmation, and you the owner said "i don't know but i believe its the genuine article". It's not going to make your life any easier for selling it. Collectors want to know exactly what they are buying. It would take about 30 mins for the car to be put on a hoist and inspected by a turbo expert to identify whats on there.

It's far too easy to make a car look like the genuine thing when its not. Look at all the fake GTHO's or Walkinshaws etc. A bit more research is called for IMO.

PS. I'm not doubting the validity of your claims, just do your self a favour and write up a spec sheet for the car with the truth.

 

http://www18.ocn.ne.jp/~mamiana/nissan-fairlady300zx-pentroof-photos.html

pentroof's orange z is for sale, i swear its been posted before but i'll post it anyway.
a cool $45k au

its a different beast to yellow z but it can atleast help him gauge what his yellow one is worth.
Although i don't know why i'm still trying to help, as in yellas eyes im a narrow minded asshole who only looks at parts value. Which it would seem theres quite alot of us after reading through the thread, luckily i'm not alone.

Thanks for the kind words craig, i just wanted to add that 400bhp is more like 230rwkw/300kw @ fly or there abouts
that was with the original exhaust which was an awesome piece of work.
We have no idea what exhaust is on there now, could be tune agent dumps for all we know.
So it's hard to say, when the owner doesn't even know himself.

It'd take 15 mins with a torch and a jack to get underneath the car and look at everything, take pics etc. I guess he's a zed enthusiast who's just not enthusiastic about providing mechanical details about the car he's EOI'ing? He's also the first zed enthusiast i've come across who sais 'AFIK it still has the TD06's' and it actually came down to the forum to determine what engine/turbo combo the car is running.. for the owner's own sale ad.

Sure yella, you may love the car and be enthusiastic about it but IMO you have no clue about the car you own. A real enthusiast knows every single aspect of the car he loves.
Disagree with me if you like, but i know others will be nodding their head in agreement even if they don't voice it

 

That orange one was on speedhunters not so long ago..

 

Enough is enough... give the guy a break.

What has been established is
1...the car is a pentroof produced car. 100%
2...the car is potentially the original test-mule / promotional vehicle. 75%
3...the engine is possibly the original unit. 50%
4...the turbo are probably not the original based on drive-ability.

Personally if you are not a potential buyer then I think it is a bit unfair to bag the car or attack its originality. As they say... put your money where your mouth is and negotiate a fair and equitable price... his car, his choice on price, n whether to sell.

Have a nice day

 

All I want to know is what I'm looking at buying and how much!
If one has to spend money on it getting it back to original, then so be it.
The price should factor that in.

 

No one is attacking the originality Steven! People are trying to help answer his original question of ascertaining a price for it. But to do this, there needs to be some clear information about what the car comes with, and how original it actually is!
Poor Gargoyle has even posted up genuine interest in buying this car as a collectable item - but the poor guy doesn't even know what he's buying, because YellaZed can't answer half of these questions about the car. Apart from getting his nose out of joint to those people on here actually trying to give him answers but need more specifics to be able to do so.

Apart from that, Craig (R31 Gagz) has come on here with great input and trying to help, and it seems to have turned into a witch hunt on him too, which is absolutely uncalled for! He is a very helpful and valuable member on here, and it's actually embarrassing to see this happen!

I think the thread should be locked actually. OP is unable to give helpful info on the car for people to ascertain an accurate street value for him.
And apart from that, he's posted that he's now going to keep it anyway.

btw Steven, didn't you post this earlier...

...and yet:

 

If you are near Brisbane take it to a respected Z specialist like Eric (drz450y) for a once over. He could then verify the existence of the elusive TD06 turbos and the overall condition of the car in general.

 

Personally with the purchase of a 20 year old car (be it is one or any zed) I would assume that.
1... the engine, gearbox, diff all need a good service.
2... the turbo have seen better days an nerd to be rebuilt or replaced.
3... the shocks, suspension rubber are gone.
4... the engine mounts are dead.
5... the underplenum piping is bacalight.

So if the turbo ain't the originals then what a better time to upgrade to the specified ones.

Here is a thought the car and our cars are twenty years old, some have lived an 'interesting' life. So to complain that the car ain't original like it was 10 years ago is like complaining that your forty year old girlfriend ain't a virgin (you ain't her first) so you won't marry her.

... oh look its a long weekend, happy zedding.

 

Mafi I know your one of the good guys - but in the spirit of this now debate - (and i am saying this tongue in cheek) lets hope this orange Pentroof is 100% original! :rofl:

/Jokes! [TIS]