of course they don't. why would a usa made product be adr approved? as far as i know, all braided brake lines are illegal and therefore not able to be adr approved. someon please prove me wrong as i would love to be wrong in this case.
the UAS goodridge lines are adr approved as they have the anti-whip collars and the tags that have the date and standard of manufacture. I've showed my set to Howard at Racebrakes who agreed that my lines were adr approved, he refuses to fit anything that isn't adr approved. I could have bought the brake lines from Coz or Z1 but I wanted the adr approved stuff. I'll have to wait until UAS can tell me how to fit these properly.
They might be ADR approved in the box, but Id be interested in how to make them ADR approved on the car, sans decent mounting facilities.
it sure is mad,it would be the first time ive ever seen an adr approved cable tie id be curious to see what type fleet or zrated fit to cars that come to have them fitted
Ok lets put this to bed I did a bit of googling and came accros this article in a Vic Roads Publication. Testing Times http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/r...F-B83E-F592394457B0/0/TestingTimes21219kb.pdf Testing Times is a newsletter that provides information, interpretations and directions to Licensed Vehicle Testers on matters relating to the inspection of vehicles and the running of a Licensed Vehicle Tester licence. It is issued 2-3 times per year. Please note: Information provided in later issues may over ride earlier advice. Heres the exerpt So after reading all that Im thinking OK were on the right track so far but hey lets have a look at ADR 7 as quoted in the article. ADR 7 - Hydraulic Brake Hoses The function of this Australian Design Rule is to specify the performance requirements of hydraulic brake hoses in vehicles so that the risk of failure in service will be minimised. This standard ceased to have effect for new vehicles as from 9 December 2003, the requirements have been incorporated in ADR 42/.... Hmm ok so its been incorprated into Rule 42... Lets have a look at that. ADR 42 - General Safety Requirements The function of this Australian Design Rule is to specify design and construction requirements to ensure safe operation of vehicles. Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 42/04 ? General Safety Requirements) 2005 Compilation: 1 (up to and including Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 42/04 ? General Safety Requirements) 2005 Amendment 1) Compilation Date: 12th October 2007 Compiled by: Vehicle Safety Standards, Department of Transport and Regional Services 15. BRAKE TUBING AND BRAKE HOSE Flexible hydraulic brake hoses, air or vacuum brake tubing and air and vacuum hose, flexible and hydraulic power hose between the ?Brake Power Unit 31/00? or ?Brake Power Unit 35/00? and the master cylinder or its equivalent must conform to SAA, SAE, BS, JIS, DIN, ISO or ECE Standards specified for flexible brake hoses, air brake tubing or hose or vacuum brake tubing or hose or hydraulic power tubing or hose and be fitted to the vehicle as to prevent chafing, kinking or other mechanical damage under normal motion of the parts to which they are attached. So make of that what you will (Chrispy posted some of this in another post)
ADR 7 is no longer in force, the whip test is no longer valid, which isn't suprising since having a big gob of metal on the end of the line and swinging it around isn't a true indication of how a brake line will react under typical use. But what would I know Goodridge lines would conform to BS at minimum, if not the other standards as well. I'm not in the least concerned with my lines, and would install them again given the chance. Think outside the box, get some little clamps. If no one likes them still I will buy them off you for $50 a set
To me this reads as the new ADR applies to vehicles manufactured after 9.12.03 and ADR 7 still applies for all cars before that date
Im pretty sure I just said exactly what you said.... :bash: Hell I even gave you props for typing the same thing in another thread
I was thinking that too, but the ADR 7 document has been removed from the Dept of Infrastructure Website, soI dont see how could still be enforced if the legislation is gone. http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/adr_online.aspx Ok so ive found a copy of ADR 7 in the Second Edition ADR's Its dated 1981.... http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/pdf/07.pdf Im yet to find any actual legislation that actually requires things that were stated in the Testing Times article. ADR 7 refers to some ancient Testing Procedure which has expired as of 1981 ASTM D571 -76 Withdrawn Standard: ASTM D571-76 Methods of Testing Rubber Hose for Automotive Hydraulic Brake System (Withdrawn 1981) WITHDRAWN, NO REPLACEMENT
Those rear hoses will not meet this spec. They are too long and foul the lower wish bone when the spring is compressed. The issue here is . What Goodrich has supplied is NOT what Nissan thinks is acceptable. IMO what Chrispy has done is NOT ACCEPTABLE, and I know what approach I prefer.
What I have done conforms with the requirements under ADR 42. The rear line length is FINE if the hardpipe from the caliper is removed (and why wouldn't you?) My lines don't kink, they don't foul, they don't rub, they are fine. What nissan have done is for much more flexible lines, the braided ones are quite stiff. When it coms down to it, do what you think is safe. If you are not comfortable with them, don't fit them. As I said $50...
This says it all !! Interesting that the two we have seen from the US directly replace the Nissan ones as it should be. But here in Australia apparently, we know better and can de-engineer arguably the most important area in the car. LOL, yeah right!!!
Brake Lines I am talking to importer of Goodridge lines who also came to my shop yesterday to inspect my zed and a road zed on hoist. The kit is a road come motorsport kit which removes the factory hard pipes that come off the back of the callipers front and rear. This is lighter and neater and easier when working on the car when removing the calliper. Re fitment of these Goodridge lines I am waiting for written info and advice from Goodridge agent and will advise asap.
This post has been bought to my attention, so l felt the need to reply to sort a few points out. Firstly, l am Steve, partner in the business Maltech. We have been in the business of manufacturing Street Legal Stainless Braided Brake hoses for the past 5 years along with rubber brake hoses and stainless steel tubing on all makes and models of vehicles. In reply to John Penlington?s comments regarding Maltech Braided Brake Hoses. Firstly l am extremely disappointed in a fellow business owner to post such comments about our business and products. John has mentioned that 4 cars that are apparently fitted with Maltech braided hoses have had hose failure and 1 car crashing. This is the first that l know of any of our hoses failing and causing 1 car to crash. I am sure we would have been contacted by the owners of these vehicles if they were actually fitted with Maltech Braided brake hoses and had a failure. One point John is correct on is that Maltech hoses are crimped together, which is the same for both Rubber and Braided brake hoses. If you actually look at the standard rubber brake hoses on your vehicle you will notice that the end fittings are actually crimped together, not swaged like Goodridge fittings. Crimping of the end fittings is a common practice throughout the automotive industry, therefore is not a negative towards Maltech hoses. Not sure where John gets his information from, but Maltech packaging does not mention anything about Not for Motorsport use, as can be seen by the pic posted by Caz1 on 20-04-08 Maltech stainless braided brake hoses are all crimped together, then each hose is pressure tested to 3500psi and stamped to identify Maltech as the manufacturer. All Maltech brake hoses (Rubber & Stainless Braided) are ADR Approved ? Street Legal throughout Australia. Each braided hose has the ADR markings on them and the CRN (component registration number) issued by DoTaRS. Maltech braided brake hose sets are a direct replacement of the standard rubber brake hoses. No modifications are required to vehicle or hoses to make them fit. Our hoses use the same fittings as seen on the OE rubber hoses and have all appropriate centre support fittings on the hose. In the case of the Z32 300zx braided brake hose set the front hoses mount to the body exactly the same as per original using the standard hose clip, then the hose will be supported by the 2 centre support fittings with the standard hose clip before the hose connects to the steel tube in exactly the same way as per original. Rear hoses are just a matter of removing the rubber hoses and replacing with the Maltech braided item using the standard clips. All Maltech brake hose sets are designed and manufactured to this standard, ensuring ease of fitment and no chance of hoses getting caught up in coil springs or rubbing through on wheels, tyres or driveshaft?s. John, it would be appreciated if you could clear up your post as l do not appreciate having my business or products tarnished with misleading information from you. Thank you Steve Maltech www.maltech.com.au
John, I have removed your references to the technical aspects of the Maltech products. I suspect that the information you have received on their products, is not accurate. If the boot were on the other foot, and people were making erroneous comments about UAS products, you'd be jumping up and down, and rightly so.
Yes Fair enough but you suspect the information is incorrect, what if it is correct? Slander is not good which is false negative information about a product or company. Small world but another Maltec line off another car that went to the track and failed just yesterday and sitting on my desk with same problem. If we or any company supply a product that is not good and others should know as long as factual not slanderous. Same as if these Goodridge lines have fitting issues yet to be confirmed then not good and people need to know. I understand a moderators job is not easy and I would not want to do it, but we don't want gagging in a freedom of speech country on a public forum or take sides and delete one post but leave others. Also re Maltech lines the fact that you don?t know about it is a concern but not surprised as most people don't tell suppliers, especially on a cheap item. Possibly same situation with Goodridge lines no one up to know has said anything so they say no problem as no one complained and yet to be confirmed by us. You have been informed now though even though third person, it should be enough to do something about it otherwise you could be liable in future. Sorry if I got the NOT FOR MOTORSPORT thing wrong and you might clarify that they are not for motorsport and just road use which.
