What's Macquarie Fields like??? Are there any members from this area or close by? Is it to the west of Sydney, north or South? It seems as if it's rampant with lawlessness. Those dickheads should put themselves in the shoes of the police officers who have families to feed and a home to return to each night. :angry::thumbsdown::angry:
My Solution My solution to this kind of behaviour. When they capture the rioters they should chain their legs together in a "good-old-fashion" chain-gang and march then down the streets, cleaning up the mess that they have made. With ethnic street gangs and violent street youth, if they are caught and they are not Australian citizens then on the third offence deport them and their entire family. Unfair; but at least then their parents would be forced to take responsibility for their children's actions. If they are Australian citizens then send them of to a military type training camp "the back of Bourke". Get them "digging ditches", not playing intendo in a youth jail-resort (i.e. the kind of jail where it is possible for an inmate to bonk his girlfriend). But what about these poor people's Civil Rights .... what about the right of the civilized ... "if you act un-civilized then you loose your rights". ---------- I don't believe in all this juvenile crime (only juvenile crime is a kid nicking a lolley from a shop) everything else is adult crime. I think it is irresponsible of the law to let criminals hide behind their age. Don't tell me a 14 year old does not know it is wrong to steal a car, to snatch a handbag, to rape, to murder. To me the only difference that should be between juvenile crime and adult crime is the offense should not appear on a young persons public/work record, but it should appear on their law record. ---------------- This police "bashing" is beyond a joke. Irrespective of whether you like or dislike the police, at the end of the day, they are human-beings. So consider this, if someone was throwing a fire-bomb at you, it would be very difficult not to draw your pistol and shoot the person in self-defense. ----------------- "we live in a poor under-privilege area, it's the police / governments fault" ..... BULLSHIT ...... the residents and the youth of this area are responsible for their own destiny, yet they choose to "shit in their own nest" (burnt-out cars, rubbish on the streets, graffiti). Those youths that were killed ... they chose to steal that car, they chose to run from the police. But alais it is easier to blame someone else for the "shit" that you are in then take responsibility for it yourself.
The sins of the father....blah blah blah You cannot punish a family because of what other members have done. That would strike at the very base of justice. Sure there need to be servious consequences for anti social behaviour but you cannot have collective punishments. Just look how successful that has been in Palestine. As for non citizens they can be deported after just one offence depending on its nature but several other countires simply will not take them back. Also you should never be able to revoke citizenship for what others have done. Punishment yes, punish juvemilles that brak the law yes but NO NO NO to collective punishment. Thats my 2 cents or should I say 2 Yuan from Tianjin China Cheers Geoff
Collective punishment ??? And what is wrong with publical humiliatingly them but getting them to clean up their mess. Got to be a lot better then a jail term and imposing a fine they won't pay. We are not talking Palestine, which is an occupying army. We are talking out of control youth and peer group behaviour. ------------- As for the sins of the father ... I see the sins of the father as; as future generations can not be held responsible for the actions of their parents and past generations. At the end of the day is it not a parents responsible for their children until the day they come of legal age. Well it is about time people be held accountable for their responsibility. But alais we live in a world where every one wants their liberates and freedoms, but few want be be responsible (but someone else can be held responsible).
Heard on the radio that apparently>> the driver turned himself in at the cop station the next morning but they let him go?!?!? Confirmation? If so, it just goes to show how stupid cops are and why they get such a bad rap.
Not a pleasant nneighbourhood I am a good 20-30 mins drive away from there and still Shannons punishes me dearly in my annual premium. Had to drive a mate there once to pick up his car because it was stolen and dumped there. The government concentraing a whole bunch of lower-socioeconomic people in one place is just plain fcken wrong. They put em out there on the basis of "out of sight, out of mind". They should spread the housing estates out evenly. One at Mosman, a couple over at Vaucluse, sprinkle a few at Milsons Pt. Now that would bring a smile to my chops.
From what i understand the driver was in the cop station for other offences not related to that particular incident so thats why they didnt nab, well thats what they are saying anyhoo.
I agree with bringing back chain gangs I think we are too soft on criminals these days. Should be back to the days of chain gangs and hard labour. I think the government should start burying all residential power cables. Plenty of cheap labour in the form of prisoners to dig the trenches then fill them back in. We need a canal to up north in WA also dont we?
Who do you blame? The police are 'supposed' to back off after 150k's, but somehow, the cops ALWAYS 'called off the chase' as far as we know' JUST 'before' the occupents smash the car. I'm not saying the cops are in the wrong but if only more of the general public knew how corrupt some jacks are they will never agree. Seriously, the cops these days ignore the REAL problems out there, drugs being the main one and worry about our cars being to low.. to loud etc as there is more money in it for them than arresting someone selling a few drugs. I know it's bad to say but i hope the drug problem gets worse so the public and especially the officers wake up and get their priorities right. I can go out ANY time of the day and get whatever drug you need or want, many of us who know where to go can, you can't tell me the cops don't know where these guys are! To those in VIC, just go and park down little collins st or flinders lane about 8am on a sunday / saturday morning, watch all the drivers from the clubs there 'wont mention names' half of them are off their head high on pills. Being out a lot with friends who drive imports you do realise thats the coppers main priority now and see how they ignore the other things going on. There is a car park FULL like 3-400 cars all enjoying the night with friends, not being idiots, not taking / selling drugs bar the few idiots who do burnouts which deserve a canary but why get the rest of us???? It doesn't make sense really. Then they go ahead and say 'burnouts with people so close to the cars with NO medical support around' to make us look bad when 5 minutes away there is people selling drugs, screwing up lives and worse taking them away. I respect the police who do their jobs right and don't abuse their power but it's not often you come across an officer with that mentality.
Re: Who do you blame? The police are 'supposed' to Your joking right? How the hell do you turn some dick stealing a car and trying to outrun the cops to the police's fault? :wacko: I dont need a long post to say... "we reap what we sow!"
high speed chases are no good, think about it, what if they didn't slam a tree and they slammed another car?? There is ALWAYS that little chance they might just dump the car and run, at least no one would get hurt. So no, i'm not joking.
Paul, the problem with a no chase policy is that crims would know that all they had to do to get cops off their back is get into a chase scenario. The chase is ALWAYS initiated by the person being chased, as they ALWAYS make the choice of either pulling over or running for it. Mr Plod at this point generally doesn't know whether he is dealing with kids out for a joyride, someone out to protect their licence, a bank robber with half a million in the boot or a murderer with worse. It is unfortunate that there is always the slight chance of innocent victims being hurt or worse; but I would rather have that than the other option. I believe the current system is appropriate whereby a chase can always be ended early at the call of driver/partner/radio operator.
