Selling a QLD zed to a taswegian

Discussion in 'Non Technical' started by coolum, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. coolum

    coolum Member

    What QLD TRANSPORT Form number do U get completed to do a transfer of ownership - interstate please

    Or can anyone tell m what the process is to get the transfer done when the usual transfer papers only deal with QLD to QLD addresses.

    I would hope they can drive to Tassie (no over water problems with a zed as you all know) with the current QLD plates then surrender and re-register in TAS.

    Is this the go or do I have to jump through loops etc.?

    TY

    Steve
     
  2. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    Apart from fitting dual head rests have a read of this: http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Transferring-registration/Interstate-vehicle-transfers.aspx

    The way I interrupt all that is that the registration cannot be transferred to someone that will not be garaging the car in Queensland.

    They would go with you to a QLD transport office and you would de-register the car, apply for a refund and they would apply for a temporary permit.

    You would not have to provide a roadworthy.

    Maintaining the Queensland registration for purpose of driving it back to Tasmania is a bit difficult.

    If they had a friendly address up here they may be able to claim that it will be garaged in QLD for use when they come here, while there permanent address is in Tasmania. A phone call to transport would be needed to confirm as would a RWC to do it.

    I wouldn't recommend any thing other then de-registering it and applying for a permit as if you do a dodgy to keep the Queensland plates on it and things came unstuck it could get nasty with voided third party insurance issues, as in coverage being nullified and who's responsibility it is.

    If its all that hard throw it on a car transporter.
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2014
  3. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    Some permit limitations:

    Costs:

    CTP Premium Rates - Class 22 = $53.20 + $1.10 per day
    Unregistered Vehicle Permit: $28.25 per day
    CC fees may be applicable

    2500 odd k's 30-40 hours of driving/ferry its going to be 3+ days to get there (yeah i know you and you uncles girlfriends sister did it in 5 hours one time.), since you cant extend the QLD UVP it would be wise to take the full 7 days just in case imo.

    7 Day QLD permit $258.65 approx.
    SoT fare $89
    Fuel $450 (if it runs reasonable economically, +50% if it doesn't.)
    4 nights accom. for 2 $600 approx.
    $1400 odd plus highway damage to the car and risk (priceless)

    Apparently car transport starts at $1500 http://www.prixcartransport.com.au/transport-car-from-brisbane-to-launceston/

    I can understand someone wanting to the trip, just some information.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2014
  4. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    Oops I forgot to add.

    Flight from Launceston to Brisbane $150 x 2 = $300

    And say 2 nights accom. -$300

    Its still getting up around the $1400 mark for the basics for 2 people to fly to Brisbane do a reasonably comfortable drive to Tasmania that can be enjoyed rather then a test of endurance that you wish you never started.
     
  5. awgazm

    awgazm Active Member

    Transfer as you would qld to qld.. that way its out of your name in in their license
    When they get to tassie they need to take plates off and treat as unregistered vehicle

    All legal and cheaper/easier than deregistering then driving. Dont forget permits only last the state that your in... would need to organise a permit for each state driven through
     
  6. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    If you read above, which you obviously didnt, you would know that to transfer a vehicle into your name in Queensland you need an address in Queensland with the following evidence.

    And no Queensland permits are valid Australia wide except WA (see above).

     
  7. TWIN TERROR

    TWIN TERROR Well-Known Member

    Coolum , just be very careful. When i was 19 i sold a XU1 to a bloke. He asked for me to leave the plates on it so he could drive it home. It was a fast deal as he spotted me driving it and offered cash so i had no time for a r.w.c . Some very bad shit happened and my car was connected to it. He gave me a fake name and address so it looked to the police that i was guilty. The stress it put me under proving i was not involved was crazy. Remove the plates if you are not selling with a r.w.c.
    Good Luck
    Dave
     
  8. QLDZDR

    QLDZDR ID=David

    I have sold cars and bikes in the past with just a signature on rego papers and cash hand over.
    That is how it was done 25 years ago.
    If I had mobile camera phone and email back then I would have used them.

    He comes to Brisbane to buy the car right?
    Offer to take a photo of him infront of the Zed (or a selfie of both of you and the car) and send picture to his phone or email address. Take a photo of his drivers licence?

    He has to transfer the ownership when he gets to Tassy.
    Not like anyone is going to pay your electricity bill to fudge a QLD address.
     
  9. tassuperkart

    tassuperkart Its a lie I tell you!

    There is a period of grace to get registrations done after sale. The onus in on the new owner to do all the legwork as far as registering in the new state, insurance etc.
    All the existing owner is required to do is to fill out and submit the notice of disposal in qld. That simply takes his name off the list in event of some hassle down the line.
    Allowance has to be made, say to buy a car on Saturday and transfer rego the following week.

    Interstate the rego cannot be transferred. The existing plates are surrendered and eventually, any money left on the rego will make its way to the new owner. The car is just simply re-registered when it gets to Tas.and requires an inspection done by an approved mechanic.

    So long as both of you have a copy of the receipt, signed and dated by both. You might also like to scan a copy of some other identifying info such as a drivers license or whatever, then any trouble done by the new owner will not bounce onto you.

    Is how I do it.

    E
     
  10. coolum

    coolum Member

    Thanks for this I think its the only way to go ..
    it protects the buyer and any CTP issues when travelling..
    it also allows a comprehensive insurance to be taken out by the buyer ..

    and it covers the seller who must comply with the rules for selling a vehicle in QLD (who cares what the rules are from mehico and down further south dems their rule, we have our own 'up in here'.)

    life is more complicated every day .. I wish I was a surf bum again!

    Thanks for the input from all concerned ..

    Steve
     
  11. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    Poor OP is wishing he didn't ask. :p

    OK you have just recommended at the very least, the acquirer into committing an offence. The beauty of which is he probably wont know about it till the next time he is picked up driving in QLD, probably some years latter.

    See QLD Vehicle Registration Transfer Application form. http://www.support.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/formsdat.nsf/forms/QF3520/$file/F3520_CFD.pdf
    It is not the way to do it simply as the acquirer does not have the ability to transfer QLD registration into his name, as he does not have a QLD garage address with proof.

    Buy abusing the 14 day QLD registration transfer grace period not only is the acquirer committing an offence, the disposer will need to pay for a RWC unnecessarily.

    Also all the potential complications if the vehicle is flashed on the way back to TAS. Guess who will get the notice ? yes that is right the QLD disposer, even if he lodges part B of the rego transfer I bet it will still come to him.

    I wonder what happens when you have a unregistered vehicle permit with no plates and you get flashed. :D

    The QLD registration refund will not "make its way to the new owner", how can it ? the QLD registration was never in his name.

    Surrendering the plates, again this will come down to the registered owner, the QLD disposer, as he is ,,,,, the registered owner.

    Now who is going to pay the stamp duty on this registration transfer should the disposer need to invoke Part B of the form to protect himself from the purchassers trafic infringment ?

    3.5% of approx. $8000 = $280

    https://www.osr.qld.gov.au/duties/about-duties/rates-of-duty.shtml?showtab=4
    If the buyer has an accident driving back to TAS and someone is injured, who do they sue ? thats right the registered owner, the QLD disposer, what if the CTP insurer decides that since the vehicle was disposed of that they no longer have a contract and that unless the buyer submits the transfer form within 14 days into their name, ohhh hold on a minute the the transfer can not be completed as the buyer does not have a QLD address, ohhh dear so who is responsible ? ahhhh it will be OK the insurance company will wear it on the chin and send you an XMAS card each.


    To be quiet honest this is just the start of it, I can not imagine anything more stupid then attempting this, what is the point ? what is the benefit ? If anything it is more difficult to attempt.
     
  12. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    Exactly ! becaue ,,, they are the registered/permit holder with CTP.

    Just remember to take a screw driver to the transport office as they wont issue a temp permit to a car with plates on it. If you go together and have your forms filled out you might be able to get the one clerk to do the lot for you in one go.

    They should also know that the purpose of the UVP is to go DIRECTLY from place of purchase to the intended garaged address, so no sight seeing, driving from hotel to bottel-o, cruising Kings Cross or St Kilda, but if you do have a real good story that you made a wrong turn or something.

    I would still call transport and outline what you intend to do, just to be sure since you will have someone from interstate depending on those details.
     
    Last edited: Mar 18, 2014
  13. coolum

    coolum Member

    Yes agreed

    I'll get a RWC as it stipulates the car must be roadworthy in order to undertake this and by having one this is proof in case the buyer gets approached by the blueys in Vic or mehico.

    I will cancel the rego and hand in the plates and assist the buyer to get the permit.

    Then hes on his way and can enjoy the drive knowing Hes 'covered' and within the law and fully insured.

    I would not drive a car anywhere without full insurance these days ... too many 'complications' are allowed on the road.

    Thanks Brisz for your comments and thanks all for your input.

    TY

    Steve
     

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