Power nosing over at high RPM

Discussion in 'Technical' started by SRB-2NV, Feb 21, 2015.

  1. Shane001

    Shane001 Well-Known Member

    Sure but it's not going to continue to build power if it can't increase fuel delivery. The AFR will slowly lean out as revs build due to not being able to increase fuel. I agree it won't hurt anything provided the AFR doesn't go too lean, but explains his loss of increased power over a certain rev range.
     
  2. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    I have to say the biggest improvement was the ic to tb pipes, it no longer falls off flat but still doesnt feel 100%.
     
  3. rollin

    rollin First 9

    Yeah if power was slowly dropping off I would agree. But he said it hits a brick wall at 6000 with afr still in the 11s

    Being off the map is never good but I don't think it's the problem in this case


    Boost leak test ?
     
  4. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    Tried two different boost levels,

    at 10.5PSI the car didnt struggle as bad after 6krpm but again 64-6500 it won't rev (AFM 4.350v) INJ 98%

    at 7PSI the car revved fairly freely to 6krpm but again 6500 was a dead end (AFM 4.05-4.10v) - INJ: 85-88%


    Still raining a little bit so i may have to wait until next week to diagnose further.
     
  5. Shane001

    Shane001 Well-Known Member

    Does it actually continue to rev to redline just with no power increase?

    Or does it actually completely cut out at 6400/6500rpm? ie like ignition or fuel or speed cut?
     
  6. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    Its not really a cut so to speak its more like 6500rpm is the maximum the engine will rev to, it just stays there. Power starts to drop bad around 6k.
     
  7. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    Okie dokie, tried two known good fuel pumps and changed to a turbosmart fpr800 with raised fuel pressure and no matter what the injectors max out and it runs like balls at 6krpm.
     
  8. rollin

    rollin First 9

    Unbolt exhast and dumps and test drive ?
     
  9. 92z32tt

    92z32tt New Member

    Are you sure there hasn't been a mistake installing the Cam Belt or the Cam Belt hasn't slipped ??

    If it were, say, 2 teeth out and advancing the cams enough you would loose top end power and have really good low to mid-range like it sounds like you have.

    Don't know, might be worth a look ?
     
  10. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    Thats my next look, i believe it may have been installed either wrong or if one of the heads had been machined previously it may be off a tooth or so.

    Also Niall i dropped it from the cats and still the same thing :(
     
  11. rollin

    rollin First 9

    definetely worth a look at cam timing then. ive come across them where locating dowels have been broken or missing, so even though the marks look correct they are misaligned.

    you will get to the bottom of it
     
  12. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    Does it free rev to 7k?

    Also, AFM should be nowhere near that voltage at that boost. That is 400ish hp worth of measured air.

    Also, thinking out loud, possible really really big boost leak? Much air being measured, not many boosts at manifold.
     
  13. ZYTRAM

    ZYTRAM Formerly known as martini_Z

    I think that AFM duty cycle seems about right for manual turbos, for reference here are my values from when I had 370cc injectors and auto high flows:
    AFM: 4.7V
    IDC: 99%
    RPM: 6212

    and comparison with current setup (550cc's and GT525s):
    AFM: 5.095V
    IDC: 94%
    RPM: 6512
     
  14. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    At how much boost?
     
  15. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    Also im not sure how the AFM voltage would be so high because of a boost leak, the AFM is only measuring air that has passed the hotwire
     
  16. Fists

    Fists Well-Known Member

    the air passes the wire and then blows out the leak rather than going into the engine and making power
     
  17. ZYTRAM

    ZYTRAM Formerly known as martini_Z

    16psi
     
  18. Fists

    Fists Well-Known Member

    The VQ map is roughly (or maybe exactly?) logarithmic so 4.75 is quite a bit more air than 4.5. 4.5 is still quite a bit though.
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  19. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    I know that, however he wrote the AFM voltage shouldn't be that high on 12PSI and then says the car may have a boost leak. I've had the zed on much much more than 12PSI before.
     
  20. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

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    Must be the 2.5" AMS intakes..... :p

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