No Turbo's or V8s for NSW "P" plate drivers, new laws

I don't know how it's going to work. does it mean anyone that owns one now has to stop driving?What happens with say a Qlder or Victorian driving through? -"puts on flame proof coat and crash helmet"I think this is a great idea, not only will young kids live longer, but other road users wont have to spend so much time keeping out of their way. and,State government will save a fortune in lamp-posts.

 

Great idea i think! means i'll be able to race all you NSW Suckers

PUTS ON OVERSIZED FLAME SUIT!!!


I'm gonna cop it on this one, i can feel it now.

Fate

 

thats a pretty smart idea

power to weight ratio made little effect because low powered cars can be easily modified to exceed the limit and still go under the radar. It only really effected high powered factory vechicles, and even then the penalty isn't much to worry about. With this law it basically leaves no room for high powered cars and p platers. Only way for it to be effective is to deduct demerit points when caught/suspension of license. I couldnt care less if it came to vic will surely keep hoons off the roads and im off my Ps in less then a month.

 

Our NA zed's are going up in value Rus !!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

If you already had a car like thios They cant make it retrospctive I wouldnt think

 

sorry to say, but I like the idea...

I know there are resposnible P platers out there, but statistics also show another side to things.... at the end of the day, inexperience, high powered car, and mates sitting in the back seat egging you on is just a recipe for disaster.

granted, any car can be driven fast and irresponsibily enough to kill someone, but I think its more the mentality of being a young inexpereinced driver with lots of power under your foot and the belief that you are an expert driver that is the scary thing....

I wish they would start this law in Vic

Cheers

 

The report I heard said only for new P plate licences issued after 11 July.

However, if you lose your current licence, the new rules on max 1 passenger for 12 months will apply when you get it back (which is a rether irrevelant issue for a Zed).


Cheers:zlove:


Barry

 

I have to say, the whole 1 passenger idea is really bad...

it kind of undermines the whole concept of designated drivers.

When I was in college, and we borrowed the family car to go out on the town and took turns to drive (doing the "right" thing because we couldn't afford to taxi it everywhere) it was actually reasonable for 1 person in a group to take a turn not to drink. (granted, this sometimes meant 6 people in a 5 seater sedan, but anyway).

Where does this crap law leave the responsible people?

 

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I liked this one better....>>

Obviusly some people have very strong veiws.:wacko:

Personally I would rather they made the licence testing harder with some form of defensive driver training thrown in.

 

I have to question whether the fact that a law doesn't (or won't) apply...

to you personally is sufficient reason not to oppose it. The fact that something is unjust to a minority doesn't really change the fact that it's unjust.

It's probably also misdirected, will cost more to enforce than the value of the benefit it provides, and even then I'm not sure it provides a benefit.

And as for targeting grey imports, well, that's just crap. A car with multi-link IRS and traction control has to be safer than an rx3 with a 13BTT.

 

I see your point, but the accident statistics on cars full of young men ...

are pretty sad.

I guess the government are trying to protect the inexperienced P plater from the late night peer pressure of a car full of testosterone and alcohol soaked mates. I remember it well.

To limit the passengers to one means by and large it will be the girlfriend in the car, which always slows you down. Very clever that!

I guess when you are a young P plater a year sounds like a long time. It's certainly not.

Cheers:zlove:

Barry

 

Good idea - wish they'd do in Qld

Similar rules have been in place for bikes for quite a long time. It's worked well. Once I would be always hearing of some young guy on a high powered bike getting killed. Now it's pretty rare.
My son will be spending a couple of years in a buzzbox or a 4x4 ute before he even thinks about getting behind the wheel of my Z. (except around the back yard to park it after he's washed, polished and vaccuumed) :LOL:
See ya,
Garry

 

As a NSW P plater with a turbo car, i have to say its a good idea but

a PITA. Even if current licence holders/turbo owners are allowed to continue driving, we'll get pulled over heaps more often for "RBTs" (otherwise known as 15 minute harrassment sessions).

Definitely doesnt do good things for resale values either. Unless you have an NA Z, of course.

 

not to drag this out further, but, I'd suggest a lot of the legislative...

reform impetus can be traced back to the EVILR34 events.

My point is, if the problem is speeding, police speeding more closely (ie actually police it, not just put cameras out).

If the problem is people drag racing, then police that. If the problem is unsafe modified cars, then reintroduce the annual rego pits inspections like we used to have in ACT.

But using knee-jerk legislation as a band-aid for what appears to be an enforcement issue is bad policy, IMO.

 

I agree with THAT!

Followed an old VB commodore yesterday on busy Gold Coast roads, not only were all 4 tyres bald, no rego sticker, no licence plates & a total rust-bucket! No POLICE around either :wacko:

 

If you are a reasonable person

you shouldn't be worried. The passenger restriction from what I heard is only if you have lost your licence previously due to serious circumstances. If your not allowed to carry more than 1 passenger then you dont deserve to. Some people just dont respect the responsibility of driving and taking care of other peoples' lives.

 

Ditto re: inspections

It would get all the unroadworthy shitboxes off the road. I wonder how hard it'd be to get a petition going/sent to the minister for transport?

I don't know if they're going in the right direction to be honest. More realstic option: nothing over 'x' kw for first 12 months, then a compulsory advanced driver training course (unrestriced hp/ownership thereafter). Driving a gutless little Lancer for the first 12 months certainly kept me out of trouble - speeding fine within first week of zed ownership whoops.

We definitely need advanced driver training made compulsory for P Platers in all states - Maybe govt. subsidized to make it more affordable .

Just my 2c.

 

Think it's a Good Move

I think drivers really do need at least one years experince in a vehicle before they begin to mature. I know I always had a heavy foot in my 4cyl honda until I was about 22, would not like to have seen the results if I owned someing with 300Kw instead of 49Kw.

Insurance companies arn't stupid and there out to make big bucks, there is a reason the premiums drop drastically when you turn 24.

 

It won't save lives, it is just another way for the gov to make money off

fines. Just like the current speed camera system in VIC. There is way more deaths now than what there was last year, and the year before when there was virtually no cameras.

We all have to just wait and see. BTW they never show how many accidents occur BECAUSE of an overpowered car. It is always just who is a P plater and who isn't.

You can do the same thing in a VT commo as what you can do in a Ferrari and a 1.5L accent i.e go over 100k/h.
Getting to those speeds in 3 seconds or 7 seconds it will not matter people are still going to do it and stack their cars due to LACK OF experience. Spend the money on educating drivers and not other crap. I can bet you that my Z is a safer car to be in than most of those little hatch back cars, has better brakes and probably better safety features all around. This is how out of touch the entire Australian government is.

Our cars are 100 times safer than what they were 10 years ago yet speed limits are now 40k almost everywhere in peak hours just because 1 parent didn't keep an eye on her kid and let him/her run onto the road. This causes more fuss and road rage than ever before, the majority of accidents happen during PEAK hour when people don't pay attention and tailgate others.

I could go on and on but what my point is that most new drivers will speed and do silly things in any car, it isn't going to do a thing.

JMO

 

being a P plater and driver of an NA Z

i would say that you could easily argue that even an NA zed is too powerful let alone a TT. however i do believe that it is just as easy to kill yourself in a slow car as in a fast car. personal opinion:unsure: