NA to TT Heads

Discussion in 'Technical' started by ggb, Apr 16, 2012.

  1. ggb

    ggb Member

    This might be a really silly questions but going to ask it anyway.

    Is there a difference between NA heads and TT Heads. I have just come back from the machine shop who have kindly informed me of the following;

    1. There is corrosion in the head - exhaust side that will need welding this has been tracked down to the radiator not being shielded from the chassis properly. :(
    2. the valves are bent :confused:
    3. none of the valves were seating properly :mad:
    4. the cams were held down by tec screws because the original bolt was snapped in place. :mad::confused::mad::(

    And on top of these issues was declared as probably the worst head recondition they have ever seen...

    So its time for new heads and everything else that needs to be fixed :(
     
  2. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Ports are bigger on the TT's. Auto TT cams are different to all others. Apparently you can port the NA heads to the same size as TT without dramas.

    Hard thing with VG heads is finding a set that are still hard.
     
  3. frysie

    frysie FRYTECH

    Thats right you bought that white car with all the fibreglass addons not long ago?

    sorry to hear mate however both are pretty similar.

    read black beasts post in this thread:
    http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292157

    OR:

    ENGINE COMPARISON

    1. The blocks are the same. They both have oil squirters that direct oil towards the underside of the piston, although they point at slightly different angles, they are still interchangeable. They have all of the same oil passages. Two passages are plugged with a bolt on the NA block (one on each outside face that feed the turbos on a TT). The TT has two oil passages plugged inside where the oil filter bracket mounts, the NA has two small check valves in this location. They are plugged in the TT so that the oil will go through the lines to the oil cooler, which returns back to the oil pan.

    2. The crankshaft is the same.

    3. Connecting rods ARE the same!! (Same Nissan part #)

    4. Piston rings, and Crankshaft (main) bearings are the same. The rod bearings are the same size but the TT ones are a different alloy.

    5. Of course the pistons are different because of lower compression ratio in the TT. Oil pumps are different. They mount the same but I assume the TT one is higher capacity.

    6. Oil filter bracket on a TT is different it has an outlet that accommodates the hose going to the oil cooler.

    7. Cams, Lifters, and valve springs ARE the same (90-93)(same Nissan Part #) The Auto TT has different intake cams (lower DURATION) but the intake cams on the 5 speed TT, NA, and auto NA are the same. All the exhaust cams are the same. The 94-95 cams were different than the 90-93 but just like the earlier ones they are all the same except for the intake cams on the auto TT. The 96 cams were all the same.

    8. The valves are all the same size. But the exhaust valves on a TT are made from a stronger alloy.

    9. Nissan claims the bare heads are different but I no longer believe it. I used to think the thickness was different but after some measurements I believe they are the same and have been using them interchangeably (just making sure the exhaust valves are the stronger TT ones)

    10. The oil pan is different because the TT one has 2 tubes protruding on the sides where the oil return hoses for the turbos mount and another one for the hose returning from the oil cooler.

    11.The turbo engine obviously has a few different accessories and systems to accommodate the turbos. The exhaust manifolds on the TT are much shorter than the NA ones, which go all the way down and tie into the exhaust section including the catalytic converters. The turbos are oil lubricated and water cooled. So there are oil and water feed and return lines.

    12. The throttle bodies are the same size but the passenger side one is different on a TT simply because one of the water lines attached to the bottom of it has a junction in it to feed water to one turbo.
    The upper and lower intake manifolds are the same TT and NA although the 94 up ones are different from the earlier ones.
     
  4. ggb

    ggb Member

    Thanks - there is a lot about the block but not a great deal on the heads other than the valves.


    Also you now raise an other question - why would the CAM gears be different on the auto compared to the manual?
     
  5. a2zed

    a2zed Guest

    They are not the same, as chrispy said. The intake ports are substantially different. NA heads can be ported close to TT specs, but is alot of work.
     
  6. bRACKET

    bRACKET Do Right Dean

    Can NA heads be ported to the same specs as ported TT heads?
     
  7. a2zed

    a2zed Guest

    No, you will hit the water jackets in the port floor.
     
  8. bRACKET

    bRACKET Do Right Dean

    Noted, thank you.
     
  9. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    yep I believe the ports are different ..
    that comparison was from Z1.

    There is a reason nissan have different cast numbers
     
  10. Z32 TT

    Z32 TT Active Member

    what do you mean by this?
     
  11. Sanouske

    Sanouske Retired Moderator

    I have a set of na auto heads still attached to an old engine... pm me if you're interested.
     
  12. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    So many have been overheated and are now soft. I know Rollin went through 4 or 5 sets of heads looking for a set that passed the hardness test.
     
  13. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    Thats why I bought brand new ones .
     
  14. bRACKET

    bRACKET Do Right Dean

    Lol price?
     
  15. mikez1

    mikez1 Melbourne Member



    Sorry a little off topic, but do you know who did the rebuild on this?
     
  16. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    $1300

    I wanted series 2 anyway :)

    quite cheap when you think about it
     
  17. bRACKET

    bRACKET Do Right Dean

    Thats very reasonable actually. Pm coming ;)
     

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