Injector sizes and fuel system

Discussion in 'Technical' started by lobsta, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. lobsta

    lobsta Godlike Member

    read some older posts about injector sizes, including simons thread a few months ago, and found the results clear as mud. to make it a simpler question i wanna know whats gonna be my weak point (in terms of HP). running fully rebuilt TT, gt600r turbos with ams manifolds and 3inch split dumps, POSSIBLY bigger cams, 555nismo injectors, walbro 255L pump...

    will the 555s cut it? and what about the $100 fuel pump? and is one of them 300deg rails gonna give any benefits?

    cheers
     
  2. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    555's will be fine. You might want to just go a new OEM TT pump rather than a Walbro.
     
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  3. lobsta

    lobsta Godlike Member

    so even with aftermarket cams and boosting the t28s right up they will still handle it sweet?? just that heaps of ppl said yes and heaps said no lol

    cheers
     
  4. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Fleet was running them in his 400rwkw race car with a bit more fuel pressure. He had 28RS's and cams.
     
  5. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    Should be fine...:cool:
     
  6. lobsta

    lobsta Godlike Member

    great, thanks once again lol
     
  7. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    Agree

    ditch the walbro and go oem.

     
  8. lobsta

    lobsta Godlike Member

    ok.... the 615cc are cheaper for some reason... spose i should just get those then?
     
  9. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    615's are SARD's and they need collars to make them fit in the fuel rails. I'd go the Nismos as they just work.
     
  10. lobsta

    lobsta Godlike Member

  11. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Ah, sorry, getting mixed up with the 650's.

    Those are for the '95+ zeds. You will need the later model lower plenum (and maybe fuel rail). Hard to find.
     
  12. lobsta

    lobsta Godlike Member

    ye and the kit with the adapter is cheaper than the 555s lol. :) bang for buck i see no other reason why not to go bigger really... just run lower % when tuned
     
  13. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    I have a motor sitting on a stand (the theory is it will last longer on the stand) to the same spec you intend, the 555's with 10 PSI extra should cut it(55psi) running up to 85% duty cycle, if money isn't an object I would of gone the series II 555/615, its an extra $425AU odd,($500 plus when I bought), but I think the douche works and collars are cheaper.

    Try this website, with 500 flywheel HP, 6 injectors, BSFC .625, Max duty cycle 85%, gives you 643 cc.

    Old pressure 43.5, new pressure 55, gives new flow of 624 cc.

    http://www.witchhunter.com/injectorcalc1.php4

    I haven't tried this yet, but I believe there is reasonable fat in these calculators as well, no doubt it will be tight but possible, unless your shooting for the full 600HP the turbos are quoted at, then you have the wrong injectors, and your probably better off with the GT28RS turbos instead.
     
  14. lurker_nz

    lurker_nz New Member

    Don't forget with a rising rate fuel pressure regulator you get 1 psi of extra fuel pressure with every psi of boost. No need to up the base pressure at all. All the tuning should be done inthe ECU. Just turning up the base pressure is a bodge
     
  15. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    "Just" turning it up is a bodge, but obviously you tune your ECU using the extra flow rate arrived at by increasing your fuel pressure. Probably a good idea to clarify that. ;) thanks. Nistune is what I am using.
     
  16. yellow300zx

    yellow300zx Pimpin Ain't Easy

    What will the stock TT fuel pump pump too? HP wise, wouldn't it cope with his setup?
     
  17. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    yes
     
  18. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    In good condition yes, quoted here at 700HP capable, http://www.conceptzperformance.com/Cart/description.php?II=1246&Car_Type=NIS300&UID=

    But if I was building 500HP plus at the flywheel I would be looking to upgrade.

    There are some nifty graphs that show how the OEM pump flow falls away at pressure and what I suggested above is within this with a small headroom, ie it wont go much further. Particularly with the 10 PSI increase on the series 1 555's, probably go to 600HP at the fly with series 2 740cc at stock fuel pressure.

    Here it is:

    http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpguide.htm
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2009
  19. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    Speaking of which, your board is a my pace...
     
  20. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    Are you holding it hostage until The Price is Right ?

    Ta give it to Eric next time you are giving him a service. :D
     

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