How to set up adjustable dampers

Discussion in 'Technical' started by MAX, Jan 16, 2010.

  1. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    I have just recently installed new Eibach springs and adjustable KYB dampers. I have currently left them on the box settings. 2 on the front 4 on the rear. Settings on the front go from 1-4 and the rear 1-8. The lower number being softer.
    Questions
    1. As there is only one adjustment per damper I'm assuming adjustment effects both bound and re-bound at the same time, can anyone confirm?

    2. At high speed the car feels like it travels far too much up and down which means fighting the steering wheel to keep the car true. Should I stiffen the dampers?

    3. The ride is nice with the progressive springs, I'd never go back. Just thought I through that out there.

    4. Does anyone know of any good guides to adjusting the set-up for street use? I know it is trial and error but my concern lies with how the front setting affect the rear and visa-versa ie. increasing damper on the front makes the rear loose????

    I'll post current alignment settings soon.
     
  2. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    increasing damper on the front makes the rear loose????

    I thought 1=hard 8=soft, had the same setup for years and the car dose not ride high at the front,

    1 yes
    2 yes

    increasing damper on the front makes the rear loose???? yes.
     
  3. Martin

    Martin New Member

    I disagree beaver, lower number is definitely softer

    I set my fronts to 3/4 and rears at 4/8 for a nice neutral steer, when you drove my car it was on 2/4 on the front and was a little oversteery IMO. Thats using stillen sway bars though, did you end up getting sway bars?
     
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  4. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    Good to

    know that martin thanks, its been a long time. And did anyone notice that the dials on the shocks can be turned clock wise or anti clock wise
    through 360-720deg and on?
     
  5. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    Stock sways at the mo.
     
  6. supersonic

    supersonic New Member

    1 im sure it doesnt adjust both. Depending on the brand, some have set bound adjustable rebound, vice versa.
    2 ye until the floaty feeling is gone.
    4 Im pretty sure adjusting the fronts mainly affect understeer on street but more importantly its relative front to rear. Soft fronts will give u grip on rough roads, stiff will make it skatey. From low grip silly soft to nicely balanced to stiff and skatey understeer. At the mid point if its oversteering, soften the rears and it should come out ok. Find a nice quiet c road in outer suburbs.

    Correct me if im wrong, but thats how i tuned kybs on a front drive honda!
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2010
  7. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    From the kyb-agx site

    "The single damping adjustment on the AGX Shock changes both the rebound and compression strokes. Depending on the model, there are either four or eight stages of adjustment"
     
  8. WhiteNight

    WhiteNight Littering and...

    With my KYB`s, i i set the rears loser than the fronts. I found with the rears at a higher setting, the rear end would be less settled.
     
  9. TQE-756

    TQE-756 Active Member

    Had mine on the car for approximately 2 yrs now and for a while had them on 3 frnt n 7 rear it was great but I love a very firm stiff ride ...bit like a go cart lol, and set them to 4 & 8 have done 2 GOR's nowand love the way the car handles on these settings.
    Keep in mind mine is an N/A 2+2 so yeah, I think like Supersonic said you'll just have to get a feel for it over different driving conditions.
    Great Shockers though... enjoy!!
     
  10. supersonic

    supersonic New Member

    My mistake, thanks mate! Im pretty sure most brands dont do that though. Bilstein? Tokico?
     
  11. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    I thought that combined compression and rebound was the standard for the cheaper stuff.
     
  12. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    Alignment

    Thanks for the tips on the dampers.

    1. As for the alignment, looks like a set of adjustable upper arms are in order, I'll keep and eye on the tyres. Or I could just drive fast everywhere:zlove:
    Front camber Target
    L2.26 1.35-0.05
    R2.25 1.35-0.05
    Rear camber
    L1.59 1.35-0.05
    R1.28 1.35-0.05

    However I am also out of spec on the kingpin inclination. How do you rectify this and what do these setting effect, weight of steering? Is this also a result of being slightly lowered?

    King Pin inclination target
    L14.31 12.10-13.40
    R14.25 12.10-13.10
     
  13. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

    You will find most manufacturers would recommend the adjustment be set at midrange for initial setpoint.
    The problem is the average purchaser of their products does not have the knowledge or experience to adjust to optimum settings by increasing or decreasing the setpoints one click at a time.
    If you were doing these adjustments regularly or over an extended period you would probably be able to gain optimum setpoints quickly.
    The easiest way of setting the adjustment is to make extreme adjustments, not one click adjustments.
    For example, set all four at the softest position & take it for a test run.
    Do the same thing on the hardest position.
    Then set the front soft & the rear hard, take it for a test run & visa versa.
    By doing this you can feel the differences and their effects on the vehicle characteristics.
    From there go back to the midrange setpoint & make adjustments in two, three or four click increments & finaly fine tune them using the one click adjustments.
    It would be preferable to make all these adjustments over the same "test track".
     
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  14. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    That sound like a great way to do it thanks,:):)

     
  15. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    Tryed another setting

    Well I set them to full hard yesterday.
    round the streets in my area horrible and bouncy.
    Through sweeping turns at 80-100 GREAT!
    So I think I going to set them somewhere between 2-4 front and 4-8 rear.
    Probably 3 on the front.

    On another note I'm a little concearned with something I only just noticed about the springs when I was making the adjustments on the rear. Which makes me think I've been sent the wrong springs, I really don't want to pull it all appart again:bash:. Have a look at this photo and tell me what you think. All four courners are the same.

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    Does anyone else have the same springs?
     
  16. Hyper101

    Hyper101 Well-Known Member

    I thought thats how variable rate springs are ?
     
  17. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    but they are touching, therefore doing nothing until there is unspring weight. ie the car lifts up.
     
  18. Martin

    Martin New Member

    I'll have a look at mine this arvo and see if they sit any differently...
     
  19. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    Is the

    taper at the top of the spring, are they on the right way round, the taper should be at the top of the spring, I can't see in the pic what your trying to say. I have the exact same setup.

     
  20. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    You can only install springs one way onto Zed shocks.
     

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