Freedom of speech and moderators

Perhaps it is again time to consider spreading the load for the moderators just like the oz300zx.com forum?

No one expects the moderators to be online 24/7, 20/5 maybe but not all the time

I quite like a good shitfight, that's why State of Origin is soooo good except for the damn cane toads winning sometimes. But for example when some douche put up a sign at the footy that Gordon Tallis' mum was a truck I thought it was fully acceptable for someone to politley tell that douche that he was about to be flushed!

So why not here too? Why can't there be some extra part time moderators? Spread the load guys and I think it should be spread across the states or at least timezones.

I know our mods were deadset against it last year but can I ask would comments like someone is a fat whore last on other foums? Freedom of speech does not mean you have the right to incite or defame. We don't have to like each other and that's fine but there should be mods around most of the time to clean up and nip things in the bud.

Can this be on the table again for Coona?

Cheers
Geoff

 

I admire your point of view Geoff, but common sense doesn't dwell here.

It was exterminated by the inmates.:zlove:

 

Re: I admire your point of view Geoff, but common sense doesn't dwell here.

Every comment you make just sets yourself up for further abuse CHILI. Take my advice from before and ignore it. Your retaliation only sparks more insults.

 

Beer hat & wet T-shirt comps are on ...

... the unofficial agenda for Coona~ :thumbsup:

A round-table may not be feasible, and probably unnecessary.

The Forum moderates itself, within existing constraints, pretty well; utilising VTD function & PM's, and only really requires Moderator intervention when the 'self-help, self moderation' is not employed.

All forum members may use VTD as they see fit and should use PM's to address more personal problems or perceived attacks on their point of view, etc.

I understand where you are coming from Geoff, but it IS a public forum and there's a wide range of age's here now, some not as polite or respectful as others ... we've got to learn to live together.

 

Interesting Oni. The point is, who moderates the moderators?

It seems of late, that some users are in a habit of personal abuse towards others, and, almost always, take a snipe at everything they say, or attribute a misquote or paraphrase them. Not a day passes when this dosn't occur. A little respect towards others, in particular, the elder statesmen we have in our midst, as their opinions generally, come from a basis of knowledge and experience. Some users, it seems, think that this kind of abuse gives them one-upmanship, but it really just exposes them for what they are.
Perhaps your football analogy can be applied in the form of a 'sin-bin'?

 

Self regulation works a treat just ask AWB :wacko:

I agree Rob to some extent about VTD but is there any system that self regulates and works as expected?

Australian College of surgeons? Oh thats right the ACCC is looking at restriction of trade.

Banks? hah!

Oil Cartels? Yep just a coincidence the prices always go down Tuesday and then up Wednesdays and holidays, at least here in Sydney.

Fat guys eating chocolate sensibly? Oops that's me :wacko::wacko:

My point is this, there will always need to be a cop, bad hat or moderator to police antisocial behaviour. Two people simply can't do it all the time IMO

Cheers
Geoff, now getting off his high horse and going back to watching TV

 

You seriously have to build a bridge.....

and get over this situation. Everytime there is a disagreement someone always has to have a cry.

Its a public internet based car forum, we dont live in a perfect society, so just get used to it.

Max:thumbsup:

 

Even if we added another moderator in Victoria

That WYKKED and Blipman personally knew, that would be better than what we have now if they didn't want the role spread across Australia. Currently the forum can go too long without the presence of a moderator. There are plenty of unbiased top blokes in Victoria that are online lots that could make great forum police.

Although we have a VTD system, there are quite a few people who are 'entertained' by flame wars so probably never use it, and there is a bug allowing people to make a post immune to VTD which I think needs addressing. (although there is really only 1 person I can think of who is immature enough to do it but will probably do it again).

 

Yes but the personal attacks from some are unnecessary Max!

 

We have been down this road b4

Dare I say Search!!!

No offence intended to members or moderators here, but extra moderators will never happen here.

The issue has been raised over and over, best to let it lie.

But on a different note, the moderators have indicated on many occasions only 5 VTDs are required.

Find Something offensive, notify your forum buddies via email and perhaps you might win enough votes for a VTD for a topic.

If you can't beat the system, use it to your own advantage.

Just food for thought.

 

Spot on the money:thumbsup:

Simple, easy and effective.

Max:thumbsup:

 

Re: Spot on the money:thumbsup:

Or create 5 aliases. And delete every post in the forum. Sigh.

 

or just not let it get to you?

 

Respect for your elders ..? huh wat dat

The problem as I see it comes back to respect for others and the fact that very immature young people and the rest of us are NEVER ever going to agree on anything. In my short time here I have noticed just how many "children" own these cars these days and cant help but get their jollies from provoking older people anyway they can.ie, purposely scaring the crap out of old folk with their bov's.Really funny NOT. I remember a post not long ago when all the young ones where venting about how grouchy the old folk are.They forget who built this dam country with their blood sweat and tears to allow them to own and drive a car that NONE of the oldies could ever have dreamed of owning because life was just way too tough back then.
Dont hang shit on them one minute then when YOU need help change your tune. Like I said it comes back to RESPECT for your elders. And that imho is why society today is fast going down the shithouse.!!
Sorry guys I had to let it out. Maybe a seperate page for the young and old where we dont have to read and get insulted by the others opinions.? Just a thought

 

Kolin, how about respect foreveryone.

If you need to stoop to the low personal attacks, well that just describes to me what person they really are.

It's not really that hard to pick on someone but is a lot harder to have a frank and open arguementative discussion over a given topic:thumbsup:, hense why people sometimes take the easier option:thumbsdown:.

But hey who am I, easier to let people have their 'flame' wars and eventually they'll get banned.

All that only cost 2c.

Hooray for the Z

 

I didn't mention a name so how can it be personal.?.

But seeing that your so keen to volunteer, I dont STOOP for anyone sonny and also IF you can read better than you spell you will see in the first few lines "respect for others".

 

I don't think Baroo was volunteering for anything...

I am sure that he (Baroo) was using the generic "you", rather than the personal "you" when he said

Sure, the syntax of the sentence leaves a little to be desired, but if one exercises a little interpretation, the meaning of the sentence is quite clear and not directed at anyone in particular.

 

Sorry Colin, grammar not perfect with wording of 'you'

in my previous installment. Should have read "If one" not "If you".:embarrassed: Sure is a fiery topic isn't it. Chill dude not meant to be directed at you and I do share your concerns on a few issues you raised, however it's just my opinion on why people have to resort to personal slander.

I do like a good old debate from time to time though. Colin I do respect others regardless for who they are or what they've done as I myself am no saint and dare I say it either are most people.

P.s I can read quite as well as I can spell, maybe my proof-reading skills need some re-checking.

 

This post highlights the problem exactly.

This thread has taken very little to unintentionally get up someones nose (argument type 1 below). It's a classic example of lacking respect for others - someone challenges my opinion, and I'll attack back personally. It happens here most weeks, particuarly since our membership exploded 3 or 4 years back.

Most of the arguments around here start in 1 of 3 ways:

1)
Poster A makes a statement
Poster B replies to the statement with good intention but with ambiguous wording
Poster A retorts and says poster B is an idiot
Poster B replies saying Poster A has the IQ of a letterbox
etc

2)
Poster A makes a statement
Poster B disagrees and says poster A is an idiot
Poster A retorts and says poster B is an idiot
Poster B replies saying Poster A has the IQ of a letterbox
Poster A replies saying Poster B has the IQ of a letterbox
etc

3)
Poster A makes a statement
Poster B disagrees
Poster A brings up an old issue where Poster B was potentially wrong stating words to the effect that Poster B does not know what they are talking about
Poster B retaliates and brings up other old issues where Poster A was potentially wrong
etc


For me, its argument type 3 that shits me to tears. Bringing up old arguments to point score is childish and not constructive. All it does is confuse 99% of the people reading the thread trying to obtain information. And it smacks of a lack of respect for the forum. If you want to have these discussions, do it in private via PM, email or phone call.

We all have to stand back and realise:

- that what people write is not necesarily the way they intended for it to come across
- that what we write may be interpreted by others in many different ways
- that there are people out there (young and old) who lack respect for others. Yet these are usually the same people who demand it from others. It exists in society, and it will exist on an internet car forum.
- there is just no point arguing with some people. No matter what action is taken, it is usually better to just let it go and say "well, that's your opinion. I don't agree, but thanks for your input to the discussion".
- everyone needs to lighten up. We all make mistakes. Many of us have provided information from time to time that was incorrect (even if only partially incorrect). Is every one so ego centric that they must argue until they are proven right? Then what? Do you get a medal for being most right on the planet?
- if you get attacked, spend 24 hours thinking about it before responding. And hopefully by then there may not be a need to respond at all. If these things bother you that much, you should probably hang up the keyboard.

K-Zed is spot on when he says..

It's very easy for people to shoot their mouths off from behind a keyboard. Try and post as though you are talking face to face to a fellow zedder that you have never met before. This may result in fewer petty arguments and a happier forum for everyone!

As for the moderator issue, the mods have clearly explained in the past their reasons for keeping the forum as is. Besides, a moderator would be required 1% of the time if we all got along (ie to clear up classifieds etc). The onus is on us to all behave like adults. If you don't think you can behave in this manner, or if you don't like the way the forum is being run even after explanation, then you are most welcome to leave.

Note: Any use of the word 'you' in this post is entirely generic.

 

Now that is probably the most sensible post I have read in a long long time

Good on ya BigCol:thumbsup: