YOU...... are too logical! Bloody mech. injunears! Always think too linear!!!!!!! However, enough insults! R180 diffs will take punishment, and plenty of it. Specially in a lightweight car no? The power wont really kill them. The combination of grip and weight might tho if used as a drag racer. P510 boys dont seem to have any diff troubles shoehorning in a single stick VG30 or a widly boosted FJ/SR20 into their little chariots. Suspension, if in good order will not be put under any pressure as overall weight will be quite similar if not the same. Brakes? Well, thats fair enough but whatever brakes were fitted to the 300 Z31 will be more than adequate enough given they were suitable enough for a VG30et single cammer. Only things to really consider, apart from the usual wiring and hose runs, would be engine mounts, tailshaft and sump changes. Not really difficult mountains to climb even if your paying someone!!!! IMHO of course!! Cheers E
Yeah I agree, 50k? wtf!... I've done my z31 vg30det conversion (with a full rebuild), rear s13 cradle/suspension conversion (pita), and a complete respray/rust repair all for under $5k (including cost of the car/engine) Definitely doable in a 240 for under 10k.
Do an LS1 like Tekky said. Better engine all around for conversions, makes more power (relative) and sound better. Mechanics understand them, there's a plethora of aftermarket parts available... Have a GMM Killer cam installed and bam. 300rwkw. All NA. What more could you want? There's a 240Z here in Pakenham with an LS engine in it. Sounds great and looks to go pretty hard. As awesome as the VG is, well... It's a relic.
Mah, LS1 conversions are a bit like arseholes................. everybody's got one! A V8 in just about everything screams ho-hum. OP made it quite clear earlier on he wants to keep it Nissan and V6 and I get that. LS1 schmelless1...pff !! LOL L8r E
What has your ute got to do with it? All up 50k including buying a Z, taking all the rust out, strengthening the body to take extra power, complete transmission upgrade, bigger brakes, retrim interior, new paint, rebuilding a thirty year old engine, aftermarket engine management.............. But I am talking about a complete vehicle that anyone would be proud to own and drive, not some half arsed cheapo conversion that devalues a classic Z car.
I agree there. They're popular because they work well, aren't too ridiculously sophisticated for their own good and are reliable. Probably the best practical V8 not a lot of money can get. They even slot them into the FD RX7's, which is certainly unique! If it has to be Nissan I'd say go an RB26 or better yet RB30/25 or even RB26/30. Easier fit and arguably better motor.
Oh go and take you hand off it M8. Youll wear it down to a point going at it like that. Whos talking anything about a million dollar resto on the car itself?? Its all about an engine transplant you claim will cost $50k This guys old zed might be in concourse condition already for all you know. What happens if this guy is a rat lover then and prefers a shitebox to a glamour machine Hmmmm? The analogy with the ute (Nissan Navara) and why its relevan to the thread is that i actually fitted a VG30det to it. So that makes me real qualified to comment on such a conversion. It make very little difference what vehicle the conversion is done to. A conversion is a conversion regardless of the brand and to sit there and sprog off that its going to cost at least $50k including the work you are describing is just wank. This: So retrimming the interior is required to do a sucessful engine conversion?? Funny, my interior seems to cope with the power just fine. Cant see interior affecting the engine................ Completlely rebuild the engine?? Why? If it runs it runs. You rebuild it if its broken. Mine runs like a bloody swiss watch and mine was an import motor from Ichiban. Even had a warranty! Under 500 bucks delivered. Transmission upgrade??? Why? Hes using an R30a from a Z32. Perhaps you missed that? Whats to upgrade? The older Zed uses an R180 diff. Lets see you break one in day to day street driving in a lightweight car. Why not just drop in an R200 then. Seems they are good enough for Skrines,Evos and Wrex's with stupid horsepower. Brake upgrades? What on earth does he need? In an older Zed, OR my ute foe example, you push the pedal and the car slows, push iteal hard hard and the wheels lock up...... Whats the issue? So?...... I need 15 grands worth of trick and giant diameter brake clobber to do EXACTLY what the stock clobber does perfectly now do I???? Im going to dismiss the thinly veiled inference of a "half-arsed, cheapo conversion" and Ill pretend that was not aimed at my Navara ute conversion. Im rather sure Id resent any inference that my vg30det conversion was "half-arsed" and "cheapo" JUST because it cost me (and another dude btw) well less than 5 grand INCLUDING aftermarket engine management. Im quite proud of the integrity of the job actually. The end result is really very good, impressive actually, and i invite you anytime to critique my work. Also, try and keep your comments within the confines of the OP's original question m8. Which was a very simple question about swapping an engine/traqnsmission assembly and NOTHING to do with a $50K ground up and custom resto. Sheesh. Chill. E
But the dude doe NOT want a v8, or an RB et-al. He wants a VG30dett. Its quite clear. An LS1 conversion will be a living nightmare to register what with engineering and so-on. A Nissan VG30det/tt in a 2.4 litre 6 cylinder Nissan car will amount to an engine number change on the rego papers! L8r E
There is 2 of them for sale on carsale for 6k and 8k. I just want 240z frame and interior without its engine. And i m gonaa buy wrecked 300zx with good vg engine or just buy engine and put it in 240z. Thats my plan!!! I think 10k, i can buy both. And then do paint and assemble engine by meself. Lots of sweat, blood and few months of hard work. Will make me proud
Go for it m8. It will be a desireable and interesting lightweight car with a mile of street cred! Easily crucify any Z32 in almost every performance department!!!! (flamesuit at the ready) Cheers E
Ahhh.. dont fall into this nafarious trap a million other dudes have fallen into. Go to the Vicroads website and research what you are required to do/change, and have it signed off by a specified Auto Engineer BEFORE you commence your conversion. Im guessing your conversion will pretty much amount to an engine number change but they "may" query the brake rotor diameters. You argument is that the modded car is going to be seriously lighter than the donor car, being either a Z32 at 1700 kilos plus or a Y31 Cima which is a larger and bulkier luxury saloon weighing almost 1800 Kg. A lot of people refer to the Y32 Cima (myself included) but this later Cima only had a V8 fitted. To work to a sort of formula to aim for, Id be looking at the rotor and caliper sizes offen a Z31 300zx turbo. If the older Zed brakes are pretty close to what the Z31 has, then you are grinning widely indeed as the heavier and far more "modern" Z31 turbo only needed such and such sized brakes, and worst, may need vented rotors or only need a brake pad compound upgrade to satisfy the powers that be bearing in mind the significant weight saving over the larger and heavier donor cars. Get all your ducks in a row BEFOR you even turn a spanner and you will thank me repeatedly. L8r E
Right, I'm off to the hospital to have my wrist put in plaster after it slipped off my knob at 4,000rpm's and hit the wall while watching that vid. Back soon.
LOL at him! That vid has been around for some years. Meh! Blown Chev... meh! Makes plenty power tho. L8r E
There are two that have been done with the VG30DET engine that I know of, a blue one around Sydney and a silver one done in Brisbane, both some time ago. I know that the silver one which was done nicely and cost a fair bit was not an easy conversion, mainly because the engine bay is a bit narrow for a VG engine. With my two seater 280ZX the left chassis rail had to be scalloped so the turbo would fit in using stock manifolds. I don't know of any in AU having a VG30DETT fitted but am fairly sure it has been done in the US. Here http://www.viczcar.com/forum/ would be a good place to try to find more info in AU, in the US try HybridZ where I remember the blue one was mentioned with pics.
The reason I suggested an LS1 was at the last Phillip island nationals. 260Z's came out of the woodwork for the event. The one that stood out was a red 260Z 2+2 tha has been stripped back and had a LS-1 conversion. IT WAS AMAZING. The conversion was first rate. There is HEAPS of room in that long nose for the V8. No changes to the cooling system or the front of the car or even the steering system excpet the front suspension. Holy crap it went like a cut cat at under 1000kg. No question. I would do this for a track car if I had my time again. The conversion looked like factory
