Hi all, I have just rejoined this forum after a long time. I currently have a 31 and am shopping for a 32 now. So, can I spark some debate on 2 seaters vs. 2+2s? I have already checked the tech docs (Blipmans write up on handling etc) and old forum entries. I have also heard that t-tops are slighly heavier and let the car twist slightly more is this true? - though I would find it VERY hard to live without the t-top. I hope to be comming to a cruise near you soon - I will prolly buy my Z from this site also as it seems to be the obvious place (harsh prices get shot down, and I see some well looked after cars in the for sale section) . And how long until I can change my nickname M
I dont think the difference in handling between them is enough to worry about. At the end of the day, you can make both the 2 seater or the 2+2 into very quick cars. For example, we have the Unique Zed race car. It's a 2+2. Another very quick car is JT's 2 seater. Much less work done on the car, but only 3 seconds behind the Unique car on the track. With an equivalent amount of work, I don't see why JT's car couldn't get into the 1:09s around Wakefield.
2 or 4 There seems so little between them that it's more a question of whether one plans on carrying more than one passenger at a time. 2+2 definately more practical tho, at least you have the option.
Coupe or 2+2.....I say let the car decide for you........ When you find a good zed that fulfills all your other prerequisites (eg colour, man/auto,targa/slicktop etc), then buy it because if you have no preference between 2 or 4 seats it's not relevant. Finding a GOOD example is more important than how many seats it has. As for this 2+2 handles better than a coupe crap, it's all theory and conjecture. Theoretically [/COLOR=red] the longer wheelbase of the 2+2 will give it better straight line high speed stability but the coupe will have better manouverabilty and quicker change of direction. The important thing (no matter which type you get) is to have it properly set up (steering/suspension/tyres etc) and then you will experience the full enjoyment of a zed that drives "as if on rails". :zlove:
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I want to know whether the suspension was designed for the 2+2 or 2 seater Even though the 2+2 is only 45mm longer it would be enough to change suspension geometry in the way of center of gravity and hence amount of anti-dive and anti-squat, roll centers, polar moments of interia etc. I'm still a bit puzzled to how the front end if replaced with solid bearings has no suspension bind in it throughout the full droop and compression of suspension travel. Only thing I can think of is that the tension rod is perpendicular to the upper control arm and hence don't fight each other since their force vectors don't effect each other.
2 vs 2+2 Im not even going to pretend i understood any of that. As for the question at hand I like the look of the 2seater better (I have a 2+2) although I have read alot about people in the US that want to convert their NA 2+2 to a TT as they like the shape of the 2+2 better. Practicality isnt that much different, most people that would ever get in my car are about as big as me and so sitting in back is unpractical if not uncomfortable, although the back seat is a good storage area for all the stuff i take with me when i drive around. I will agree with zx299 and say that if you dont really care, and i assume you dont mind that much as you are asking for our opinions, then find a good car that meets your other requirments first and then buy that.
The only reason I dont mind which is because I don't know a whole heap about them - from all your responses there does not seem to be any real "issues" when comparing a 2 seater against a 4 seater and vice versa (only personal taste) - i guess what i was looking for was for someone to say --> "what are you crazy - you want a 4 seater - dont you know x or y about them". So with everything you have said I think I will go with a 2 seater - i like the lines of them better - slightly lighter - seems easier to fit a usb box - without the back seats in the way. And I know absolutely no one that would fit in the back ) I think Doom said it best "at least you will have the option with a 2+2" - so if I don't have the option I have no choice and I will never have to girlfriends in the car at the same time anyway Chewy -> would the number sold indicate what the suspension was set up for - or maybe which was built first?!?! You are from QLD yeah? Shnorque -> do the yank 300 2+2s not have the turbo option? zx299 -> how can you say it doesn't matter what type I get when "Real" sports cars only have 2 seats just messing
Re: The only reason I dont mind which is because thats right, in the good old US of A they could only get turbo in the 2 seater...
The number of 2+2's sold far outways the coupe..... so if you decide on a coupe your search will be slightly harder.
i think that the real question is " what do you want to do with ..... the machine" .. and it does sound as if you want to do some real up-market modifications ... if that is the case then go for the 2 seater and let your mind gggggoooo .. if, however, you are looking for a bit of convenience and a bit of space for a few extras, then go for the 2+2 ..... by chance, i ended up with the 2 seater .. i now appreciate that as an ol' boring zedfart, i would really have preferred the 2+2 .... so, i have a proposition for you, ..go for a 2+2 ..then swap it with me ...win/win ..you can play around with my 2 seater to your hearts content .. and i will have my preferred ride .....!!! black baz ..
How about you sell me your 2 seater I think I will definately go the 2 seater. Thanks for all of your help guys!!!!
You need to buy what best suits you. I think you will find that any difference that may exist in handling between the 2 seater and 2+2 will be negligible on the road or even in amateur comp. Each has their positive points The 2+2 is sleeker, more practical for people moving The 2 seater is lighter, more aggressive in appearance and has a larger boot space. I have a 2 seater and yes it can be a pain if there are more than 2 people (I have had someone in the boot on more than one occasion. But with that said it is a sports car and I want all the performance I can get out of it so the lighter it is the better. Mine 300zx is also a slick top and I have to say I love the look, with so many 300ZX's on the road these days I enjoy having something a little different. I didn't buy the 300ZX to be practical, I bought it because I love the look, I love the performance and the way it handles and most of all I love the feeling I get when I drive it. All you have to do it work out what is important to you and choose appropriately.
Id prefer whats more rare- 2+2 TT 5spd Targa is probably the most rarest so i would naturally find one of those which i found and i find the 2+2 has a longer wheel base therefor looks nicer in relation to supras, and skyline etc where as the 2 seaters are shorter and more mr2 style. Although both beautiful cars we need both on the road So i think wat everyone is trying to say is they are both beautiful cars but u can shoose either depending on what you personally want..you cant go wrong
No, the Japanese must have loved the 2+2 ........ because production numbers far outway the coupe. In the later year models the coupe was nearly as rare as the convertible. When you throw the Aus spec ones into the equation then the 2+2's have to be a big majority. The slight equaliser may be that people who imported may have gone for the coupe (I think at one stage you couldn't import a 2+2 because of the Aus spec variation) but that imbalance would have been blown out of the water by the flood of 2+2's imported under the 15 year rule.
There are a number of rare z32 models Series 4 300ZX's the last 300 made in 96 were numbered, anything after that is extremely rare (i.e. 1996-2000) Convertibles are quite rare TT 2 seater slicktops are quite rare. Stillen 25th anniversary 300ZX Tommy Kaira M30Z The TT Slicktop was sold solely in Japan with the US the only other country to get slick tops and they only got the NA. The TT 2+2 was sold in Japan as well as in Europe with Australia and the US getting the NA 2+2 versions only.
