Thanks for your work on this Risky :thumbsup: Thanks for putting in the effort and getting the drag list up and running. Its great to have a guide on what others are achieving with their cars. It is apreciated! :thumbsup: Cheers Lou.
I thought that the whole idea of the Drag List was to> list those people who attained the quickest times in their class. Isn't that the entire point of Drag Racing? If so, I would have thought that the cars producing the quickest times, would be the centre of attention on the list (a sought after position). Have you asked the "big dollar" entrants, whether they share your veiw in this regard? I'm not sure where you get the impression that anyone is suggesting that the list has been "tampered with", certainly, I didn't suggest that. Questions were raised as to accuracy of info/updates (again, not by me), and it is that issue which questions the credibility of the list. If this was a Bus Timetable, rather than a Drag List, and you missed the bus, because the information was not up to date, would you think the Timetable was credible? I doubt it very much. You're doing a good job with the list, but it can be improved ( when you think it's perfect, that's when it most likely isn't.) Cheers Lloyd
the idea of the list originally was to have a discussion on and off the forum it was decided to make it an "open end" list. Yes the point of drag racing is getting the quickest time possible, but not all the zeds listed are at the same level of modification... i for one, check out how many mods people have for what times they run... the times are listed in a decending order - i fail to see how by including the "slower" times it somehow detracts from the quicker times? the list after all, is ment to be for reference not just bragging. well, there is currently only one "big dollar" zed on the list - John hadnt submitted his time before i posted the new link (although that might be due to the draglist being down for a week - but i hate to speculate)... it was a general comment - and i doubt John would be offended by my comment of who would apprciate seeing there names more... you make general "comments" questioning the credibility of the list - you back it up with no facts (until i request you to do so) - how am i and others not going to draw conclusions? the only question of the accuracy was the WYKKED time slip - which - has been answered, and i think youll find was also explained in the original post when the list started. As for the whole bus time table comment - ill say it yet again - how is the information not upto date or accurate? the drag list has ALWAYS been upto date with times people have submitted to me.... you going over the same ground, which i have answered serveral times, and you are still yet to prove to me how the list can not be credible. the list is far from perfect, and needs some more work - but as it currently is, it is always up to date with submitted times, accurate and has all the information necessary for the list to be a good reference point. When time permits, i will work on it some more in hopes of improving it. ::Risk::
I have explained my point of view several times> and there is no point in repeating it again, it is as clear as I can make it. No one suggested that slower times detracted from quicker times, but, if you say that this list is meant as a reference, then the absence of up-to-date info on the fastest current times, renders the list useless as a "reference point", thereby placing it's (the lists) credibility in question. The fact that it was not up-to-date, was the reason why members asked why this was so.
you may have explained your point of view serveral times > but i have answered all your questions/replied to your comments. Your "credibilty" comments are unfounded. how does me not including the fastest times posted on the forum make it useless? if someone from NZ posted - should they be added? where does it end.... the list is based on TIMES SUBMITTED - i am at a loss as to why this concept is so hard for you to grasp. Maybe i need to set up a direct line to UAS so i can keep track of Johns times - maybe then you might be happy. And as for JPC300 - alot of people (i for one) didnt think he was for real... if i had recorded his times off the forum, and got it wrong - that would of made the list uncredible... having the list only of drivers who have submitted there times, i would of thought, would make the list more credible... less room for error or frauds taking the top spots. ::Risk::
Im loathered to get into this sort of things but..... I find this list a great idea. You really need slips to vaildate the runs. however with a little bit of work in photoshop i'm sure I can do a 5 sec run. this and dyno runs with graphs creat a great refence material and you can judge how you are going and who got a lucky run. As I used to say on the bike dyno" today's a bad day all the numbers are far to large!" Dispite Onepersons view and its been noted lets get back on to the topic and thanks for the web space risk! shadow just a question can you link and store the slip on your site ? this may stop arguements later. and how about a dyno site as well.
just a quick one in regards to the photoshopping.... your point is very true... thats why i thought it was important to provide a link to the persons profile on the forum - so it is easy for people to take a look at there list of mods and how many posts they have made... if they have a decent timeslip, 400 posts and a good list of mods... its a safe bet its legit... 10sec pass on a stock zed with 2 posts.... doubt id add it untill id spoken to the person more fortunatly all the people on the list so far are regular members - so the chance of frauds is very little (although im suspicious of all the times quicker than me on the list haha ) yeah, this feature will be added soon - i think it will also be good for people to be able to see a further breakdown of the run which is on the slip. A dyno page has been set up (in the last few days) by Pete... have a look in the recent posts to find the link (i dont have it on me ) ::Risk::
Your point of view is fine... you are entitled to that. But do you have a better method of publicly listing verified (via submission of some form of proof) drag times by 300ZXs across the country given all the constraints that were discussed leading up to its creation? The (or any other) drag list will probably never be credible to your definition. This is because I have a secret zed on my farm property that runs 9s all day every day but I don't want to tell anybody about it Even if Risk was actively looking for it I would hide it from him. Bus timetables are "credible" because the number of buses circulating are known. Not having a go at you directly Chili as it goes for anybody else on public forums, but making a controversial comment without being a little more "long winded" is nothing more than shit stirring no matter how good your intentions are. It will cause tensions to run high for at least the time that another post is made to back up the original comments. Whether or not the following comments are due for further discussion is another matter. Take it easy, J.
The list looks bloody good.... and so what if it's not exactly credible to the highest standards. I thought is was mainly to show what zeds around the country are doing....not to show that the guy in the no.1 spot is only there coz the secret 9sec zed hasn't posted a time slip. Good on you andrew, I think most of us can appreciate the time and effort you have put into it and I'm damn proud to have my slow ass NA time on there. Paul
Yeah i agree..... the list is great and its good to see times zeds are running. I just hope i can squeeze in the top10 when i get my time slip. Max:thumbsup:
Seconded and don't let all this debate get you down.... I agree that it is not your job to hunt down every possible time that someone has posted, you've got better things to do with your time. If someone wants it up there, they can email you. IMO I don't think the slip is necessary, it should be at your discretion if you require one or not (some people on the forum I'd trust easily without need of proof). As for putting up the slips on your site, don't shoot yourself in the foot and make it too difficult for yourself, or you'll find it gets to be more and more of a chore to update it each time. Ben
Yes good and Good initiative Risk. Skyine forum have this on their site as well as circuit times. I have plans of doing this on our site but add to the list of things to do. Maybe should put on this forum or have I missed it some where? Yes Maxs'Z I will sponsor your car if you sponsor mine.
No, not shaking any cans, Zmokin!:wacko: Just trying to answer Risks question for the final time. Is that not clear to you, or are you the one shaking the can? :LOL:
"Just trying to answer Risks question for the final time" sorry Chili - i know you have tried to avoid "long winded posts", but next time - maybe you could back your statement with some sort of constructive criticism or facts?.... this way maybe people wont jump to conclusion or misinterpreted your comments as an unfounded attacks on either myself or the list... just some suggestions to help - so you dont find yourself replying to all my questions next time. ::Risk::
Unique Zed now 10.38 1/4 Mile. Now I know you don't need to prove it with a time slip. Grand Turismo. Ben from HPI requires a time slip to be emailed or faxed to him before they print it. This is a little different as going in a magazine and they want to have some credibility to their list I guess. Just having some chrissy fun.
you can pick up any old timeslip from willowbank and claim it as yours. The only identifier is the car number which is on your timeslip and car window so pretty easy to write whatever number on the window to match a nice 7.8s 1/4 mile time Though you'd have to be a pretty sad idiot to claim times which aren't yours.
