Hang on a sec matt, you were told in response to your suggestion that $800/set was a fair price that you obviously had no idea the amount of work that goes into them. As I said $800 does not cover the manufacturing cost of one pipe let alone a pair (which should give you an idea of the UAS "premium" markup...) Also you forget that these go all the way to cats, SZ dump and front (ie all the way to cats) pipes in 3" ar $1360, not $690. Should also add that part of the expense is made in Australia with quality welds and Aussie labour as we all know is not cheap. Lots of time going into quality item means lots of $$. I'm sure they could be copied in China with ugly welds like some splitflange dumps I know of and that might drop the price, but not interested in comprimising quality for the sake of a few extra sales.
at the end of the day dump pipes are dumps. 1 flange and 2 pipes that will be bent via a mandrel/press bender. and when you allready have a workshop and tools the final product costs nothing. this is why we can get tuneagent dumps for 199. and thats for a pair. like any other dump pipe... simply search ebay... there is no point producing dumps with huge price tags as only a few ppl are going 2 purchase them... look at the SZ 3" expansion pipes. they have come down from 825 US a pair to 625US a pair in just a few months if the price is right and they perform ppl will buy them simple as that. here are a few links 2 other dumps for sale.. note the prices ! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/STAINLESS-STEEL-DUMP-PIPE-SKYLINE-R32-R33-RB20-25DET_W0QQitemZ360037377703QQihZ023QQcategoryZ43807QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com.au/FLYING-NISSAN-200SX-S14-S15-TURBO-DUMP-FRONT-PIPE-IN-1_W0QQitemZ380011181455QQihZ025QQcategoryZ130632QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Startlet-Turbo-EP82-EP91-Dump-Turbo-Outlet-Pipe-Decat_W0QQitemZ120238740603QQihZ002QQcategoryZ43807QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Lancer-Evolution-4-5-6-TM-Turbo-Outlet-Dump-Pipe-EVO_W0QQitemZ120238631757QQihZ002QQcategoryZ43807QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SR20-Stainless-Steel-Dump-Front-Pipe-Nissan-Silvia-used_W0QQitemZ150229808343QQihZ005QQcategoryZ130654QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
It's got nothing to do with location and everything to do with their history. SpecialtyZ has been at the forefront of the 300zx scene for years. They had the first "street" z32 in the 9s IIRC, and they have tuned some of the biggest horsepower z's in the world. If you were bringing out a new product where the only existing products that fit the bill were done by people with no specific knowledge of the Z32 then you might be able to get away with claims of saying xxx is better than yyy, and look at our car, its the fastest, its proves it. But you don't. You are competing against one of the biggest names in the Z32 community with more experience in tuning high horsepower Z's that you do and you then wonder why we expect some proof to back up your claims? Lol. I'd put your dumps on my to-do list if you could prove it, but I'm not gonna go do it on blind faith alone. And thats the price for stainless steel is it not? Aluminised steel is another 100$+ cheaper than that. Let's compare apples to apples shall we. I don't think there are many people disputing that the tuneagent copies are unlikely to outflow UAS. But we aren't comparing it to them, we're comparing it to the best PROVEN product on the market from a workshop that has more experience than UAS. All specialtyz products are produced by Fast Intentions which are located in the USA. USA labour is no cheaper than Australian and SZ changed suppliers because they weren't happy with the production quality of the previous supplier so they obviously aren't shipping dumps with "ugly welds" by "compromising quality". Flame away
Not disputing this, as I have said throughout I am not having a go at specialtyz and was not the one to bring them, their pricing, or the quality (not quality, not performance) of their products into this thread. See post here http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273096 this covers everything I have to say on the topic. The dumps I referred to in the post you've quoted aren't made by SZ but are a cheaper copied version of the SZ splitflange dumps. Re innovation yes SZ have done some good stuff although not always the first. A local group here were using splitflange dumps with the longer wastegate pipe before SZ developed their supersplits but not going to say who as it seems to upset members. Note this has no bearing on the quality or performance of either product. SZ are good company with good products. This is a separate issue from whether or not quality bellmouth dumps outflow splitflange I hope this is not too much for come people to get their heads around.
Nismo dumps You won't find these Nismo ones on EBAY made for GTR's cast iron and have in built divider. Wodner if they knwo what they are doing. Our ones can't be compared to others exactly as the only ones in the world that are full length and the only ones that are true 3 inch. They are stainless and designed and made at UAS by a motorsport engineer, and being mass produced by a specialist exhaust manufacturer that does a lot of race car stuff including extractors for speedway cars etc. They are not for the average zed and only for those with big turbo's and really over 350rwkw that wants the best. Not a big market no. ZDUCTIV Their dump pipes are clearly nicely made and can't compare with price though as they are dump pipes only. I aslso thought the non turbulence dumps were the go until we have done tests and did more research. Also I never said there was anything wrong with theirs, or welds and Rob didn?t either, I think he was more talking about other products on the market and shiny bits that don?t flow and made in China and sold on EBAY. Nismo, Tomei etc can?t be compared with EBAY stuff either, and both have their place in the market. It is funny heaps of people on the forum have bought shinny Tune Agent ones that don?t flow much or any better than stock engine and dump pipes, and they don?t match up to the cats, but no one wants to know or ask.
Workshop? ZEDUCTIV. Do you mean this internet only based business that just seem to resell stuff and don't have premises or a workshop that I could find? They say on their site only a two man operation. I must be blind, inform me on this big business that builds motors? As I said overseas can get a lot of credibility, it obviously worked on you. Also are you sure they have built more motors than us and been round longer than us, as we have been around for 12 years and have extensively circuit raced our zed, drag and even a bit of drifting for years, also set up many other zeds that go to the track. Have youeven seen our site and their before you make this classic forum flying false statement? http://www.specialtyz.com/300zx.htm
Oils aint oils WazTTED stated HTML: at the end of the day dump pipes are dumps. 1 flange and 2 pipes that will be bent via a mandrel/press bender. and when you allready have a workshop and tools the final product costs nothing. There is lots more to it than that even mass produced. Also ours follows the tunnel of the car to keep clearance to the minimum to the ground being 3 inch, yet maintain the maximum flow possible. This required multiple bends and cuts and welds, and hard to work with stainless. See the pics, and you obviously have no idea of what you are talking about but talk to someone who does. We all appreciate constructive feedback but not flying flops.
Lol. Do a little more research. Go have a look to see how many of the big hp US Z's are tuned and built by specialtyz. Sure they are a two man team, but they are so popular in the states they have a 3 year waiting list to get your engine built by them. They've pushed a stock turbo'd Z to 450whp and for people who think US dyno's seem to read high, he also ran an 11.4x quarter mile on stock turbo's / no nitrous. So you are right. Overseas credibility did work on me. Apologies. Now I read my statement I see I didn't convey what I meant. Let me try again. More experience with high hp Z's and what works and what doesn't. And just to reiterate in case it wasn't seen the first time. I'd put your dumps on my to-do list if you could prove it, but I'm not gonna go do it on blind faith alone.
How How do they do all this with no workshop, engine building or dyno room? Maybe there is another link or site I am looking at or something? You have me curious though I can't see how they are even in the running but help me as keen to see what they do?? Where are the tests to show theirs is better than twin 3 inch bell mouth even without dividers? Unless big power there would be stuff all in it anyway. We may get around to doing proper tests before and after changing what is on our race car with no other change.
i wouldnt be so fast 2 discredit SZ they actually develop things for the Zed!! as in turbo kits., intake systems, manifolds dumps etc... while you have constantly ignored our requests for things like manifolds eg http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262381 "How do they do all this with no workshop" ive heard that you have outsourced the manufacture of the 3" bell mouth dumps to a exhaust shop.... how does this make you any better than SZ
It's lovely to have debate and flow of information, but this thread is becoming a UAS informercial. Please keep the forum guidelines in mind.
Cool We can't just make anything and everything although do our best. With the Mike Smith manifolds no need to make any others. I have already said it was made in house and mass produced off site. But at least we have a workshop and premises and facility. We have a huge list of things we have made too but infomercial if I put it on here and would be tooooo long. I think you guys might be confused with Z1 who have a big business and workshop and dyno and all?? http://www.z1motorsports.com/index.php pexed It is hard not too discussing things, email or pm me if you want, to help me see the fine line. I did not start the comparison, rather correcting false or at least exaggerated statements, which again seem to follow on forums and be accepted.
Simon you'd better put the mouse down before someone thinks you know what you're talking about. SZ have not developed manifolds, they resell Mike Smith ones. They also resell Z1 turbo kits and have more recently adapted one of these to suit larger tube style inlet turbo. Guess who has been using tube style inlet for years?????? UAS also have turbo kits which are an improvement over Z1 and no I am not talking about big dollar motorsports kit. Nobody questioning better or worse. Better go reread john's question in context and see if it makes more sense. Hopefully next time you need new starter motor or want to see some vids of injectors being tested or want to know about top feed fuel rails, specialtyz will be there to help you out.
Why is UAS always bagged when they bring out a new product? As far as I'm concerned they have lead the way in Australia as far as Z development and parts are concerned. And yes they are not the cheapest but with overheads and stuff thats understanderble, most internet based parts shops have bugger all overheads.
Greg i hope you are kidding??? Neither John nor I have mentioned price, availability, or opportunity to purchase these dump pipes. Members with nothing more than a post count with which to back their opinion have been taking shots at UAS throughout this thread, and no comment from mods. John posts in response and suddenly it's a UAS infomertial??? Is it also a specialtyz infomertial as they seem to have gotten a good wrap from this thread.
perhaps you should read the entire thread nigel. nobody is bagging UAS out at all, quite the opposite in fact. Unverified claims are the root of this discussion
Shots at UAS? no i dont think so. Alot of people in this thread have said they would purchase these dump pipes after testing on a ZX. Your statements in the beginning which sounded like an ebay seller , sparked the debate.
I posted the price Rob! John quoted me that price; I didn't think I was a secret, so I posted it. I would have preferred to buy from UAS, but the sz pipes are less than half the uas price, and possibly the uas pipes won't make any noticeable on my engine, although the extra length did appeal.
