I will explain more They do ware out although with normal road suspension specs of camber and caster they nylon bushes last sort of ok. Hornsby Nissan are more than aware fothe problem with the R32 GTR which has the same arms although offset slightly and replaced most if not all these top arms for free under warranty with the 100 they sold in 1991. The stock arms with replacement urethane bushes also wear out whilst the all metal ones with bearings bend and come apart, as they have no play and they bind and twist as they want to pivot but can't. If you do what we did to really test and show what was going on and you have the Midori copy arms then loosen the Allen keys of so it can move freely, remove a front strut with spring, disconnect the sway bar and with car on hoist and wheel bolted to hub, and with flat transmission jack under the wheel, raise and lower the car with the hoist. YOu could do this on the ground with blocks of wood and a hydraulic trolley jack which wold work on release as nto fast enough going up. It is very obvious as shows the twisting or rather pivoting the arm does as it goes through its natural arch unrestricted. It si only a few degrees I guess but enough to be a problem. Otherwise go to this link below and scroll down and download and watch the vid showing this test we did. Keeping in mind it is not as obvious watching a small vid compared to seeing it live but you get the idea. http://www.uniqueautosports.com/racecarpage5.htm http://www.uniqueautosports.com/ProjectZed/susptravel.jpg
I'm impressed with the R & D Good work John Possibly the most informative thread I've seen in a long time. Look forward to hearing end result of testing and price. :zlove:
Not For road use technically no replacement control arm is legal. For that matter sports exhaust, ram pods, after market blow off valves etc etc are all technically illegal. I have never heard of anyone having a problem with after market control arms. They are not seen anyway. Thanks K Zed and re the price, they should not be much more than all others on the market, although depends on volume. One other point not sure if I mentioned earlier but anyway, on the race car we removed the high speed low speed solenoid on the rack as it was 540 grams and not needed. The steering was slightly heavy at low speed but not much of a problem. Anyway as soon as we fitted these arms we instantly noticed the steering lighter and had more feel on the track and more response. With the engine off it was very hard to turn the wheel pushing the car around the workshop and with new arms amazingly much easier also. We realised the arm must be freed up and no longer binding even without the strut moving up and down. We confirmed this visually with the same test mentioned in earlier post although leaving it at static height. Sure enough the top arm pivots when we turned the steering wheel. Keep in mind this is with increased camber and caster over a road car although it still happens with less camber and caster just not as much. Pic below is one of the prototypes. Making and designing phase of prototype.
any rough idea on how long it'll be til we can all get our grubby little hands on these John? And any idea on price, or is that a secret for now?
they look good to me ,, but i must say as someone mentioned before , that some units out there just don't look sturdy enough not ridged , strong , i just don't want us to put our money into something that may break in a year or 2 .... yours look good to me, the center bolt , is that high tensile... will the bearings seize, in due time?
More answers Don't know and don't know exactly other than as mentioned not much more than the others on the market, and should nto be long although prob a month or so. I emailed the engineer who slightly redisgned them, to see how production run is looking and finalising a few things including lengths to cover all or most bases of requiremnts.
Was asking john about this a couple of weeks ago... he's trying to get find someone to manufacturer in a reasonable quantity at a reasonable cost...
Was speaking to john today about these... still working on getting production costs down to a price where people will buy them . Will be happening very soon though he is keen to get these in production ASAP...
Ready to Go Ok after many many trial runs and revisions etc, at last we have a sample of the production item ready to go. UAS pivoting front camber arms, adjustable length and the only pivoting arm anywhere in the world. Cost on these will be around $500 but hopefully less if we can get them made in volume.
Questions..... Why was the gusseting been dropped ( I actually like the original prototype over the final production item ) Final Production material.... ??? Cad plated mild steel I assume Threaded section... stainless ???? ( mild steel would be prone to corrosion if left un-protected.... nothing worse than rusty bolts in the wheel arch area ) :bash: "lubrication systems" was this dropped or not shown ?? Kingy
Got some answers for you Gusseting not needed as they are not under load. The stillen (non pivoting) arms are very similar and don't have gusset either. Waiting to hear back on metalurgy Not sure what you mean here? The bearings are serviceable (although they shouldn't need to be), is this what you're getting at? I'll get back to you as soon as I know re the metals
Materials Steel tubing - "Mecaval 147" (weldable - Italian hollow bar) and M1020 for welded components Collar, Nut, Spacers and crush-tubes S1214 for machined components Swivel shaft (threaded centre bit) Chrome Shaft 1045 Shims - Manganese Bronze UNS Designation C86100 or C86200 or Aluminium Bronze UNS Designation C95500 Bearings - Double contact seal type "RS2"