My turn... project zed

Discussion in 'Technical' started by maTTz, Apr 4, 2008.

  1. Wilo300zx

    Wilo300zx 1990 JSpec N.A Fairlady M

    Looking great!

    Im with Chad on this. I would love to see more about the sub enclosure's.
    Maybe you could do up a "Tech Article" on how it was done :zlove:

    I love the position and you have got a 2 seater so im even more excited.
    Im not so fussed on using my entire boot for subs, but i would love one in their somewhere.

    Good work with it so far. Hope to see more pics :zlove:

    Cheers,

    Adam
     
  2. 23BIGA

    23BIGA Still CruZin' +Parts4Sale

    Looking great... It's alway great to get updates on a Z's tranformation...
    Well done...:thumbup:
     
  3. BurgerZ

    BurgerZ Banned

    Matt please help me-

    Im also in the middle of installing my dynamat and need to know exatcly what tools you used...
     
  4. maTTz

    maTTz 500 Club

    see pm re tools

    for others, basically surface prep with septone wax n grease remover so that the dynamat can cling to the panel

    then a stanley to cut the stuff, I tried using scissors but they get clogged up pretty quick

    and the back of a screwdriver handle to rub over the dynamat, to press it on nice and good
     
  5. ed300zx

    ed300zx Active Member

    is there an update on this, i looking forward to seeing how the paint turned out
     
  6. maTTz

    maTTz 500 Club

    Upper Plenum

    This one is a work in progress at the moment. Essentially, I bought a spare upper plenum to play with.

    My theory is that the rear cylinders run lean because at WOT and high rpm, the air entering the plenum is going in there at too high of a velocity, this causes it to pile up at the back of the plenum and feed the rear cylinders better than the front ones. If the rear ones get more air, then they run lean, and the front cylinders would run rich (relatively). My aim was to slow down the intake air by using a larger throttle body, so I got two VH45 TB's from the wreckers. Additionally, I think that using a larger TB will result in a lower pressure drop in the intake circuit, more on that later...

    My spare plenum, chopped each side off:
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    That's been match-ported to the lower plenum:
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    Making the throttle body flanges from some 20mm aluminium, it needs to be thick so that I can tap a thread into it:
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    Finished 1, 1 more to go:
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    VH45 TB:
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    With flange:
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    Almost there:
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    Money shot:
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    I'm not sure if you can make it out in the next 2 pics, but the stock TB's shoot up into the plenum, not directly into it. I'm contemplating changing the angle of the TB flange face so that it's orthogonal into the plenum chamber, not pointing up like the stock ones:
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    VH45 TB on the left, Z1 upgrade in the middle, stock on the right
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    Here's one of my flanges sitting over the stock TB, you can see the difference:
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  7. WazTTed

    WazTTed Grease Monkey

    hell yes man .. thats awesome.. love your work mate!!!

    keep us in the loop with any further developments of the plenum of DOOM
     
  8. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    That will be so fun to weld back together :rolleyes: Ally's bad enough at the best of times, specially cast ally...
     
  9. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    they were my thought too chrispy

    very fragile. Perhaps make a fibreglass of carbon fibre plannum using the alloy one as a mould??? could it take the heat and vibration?
     
  10. rollin

    rollin First 9

    i think its cool to try and improve but i think you have gone for a massive overkill here. You will probably have wide open throttle from about half pedal now. and unless you have a well designed progressive cam set up for the throittle opening, it will be very difficult to control
     
  11. 300zxt

    300zxt Well-Known Member

    Agreed, infact I think it will be borderline undrivable but I commend your ambition though. It will feel uber lazy due to the lack of velocity and to go anywhere with any kind of torque will require WOT all the time. It will run like crap until peak rpms I suspect, try it and report back and see if our assumptions of this not working right are correct! It could be done with some kind of staged twin throttle setup to retain drivability, but oh man what a can of worms for bugger all improvement. The real way to do this would be to switch back to a single tb/turbo setup and fab up a custom sheet metal intake for the 90mm tb but I'm not winning that fight on here! :) lol
     
  12. rollin

    rollin First 9

    a single 90mm tb can flow a massive amount. maybe chrispy would know how much in CFM?;)

    2 x 90mm would be suitable for over 1000hp id guess
     
  13. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    PITA, I'm not doing that sort of Maths on a weekend...

    I'd be guessing just under 1000hp per throttle. Remember that CFM is hugely dependant on the pressure more than anything.
     
  14. maTTz

    maTTz 500 Club

    To clear up some mis-information on the sizing of the throttle bodies (ppls saying that they're 90mm etc), here's some happy snaps:

    VH45 Input diameter - 84mm
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    VH45 Output diameter (choke point) - 80mm
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    VH45 Shaft diameter - 12mm
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    Z32 Input diameter - 55mm
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    Z32 Output diameter (choke point) - 51mm
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    Z32 Shaft diameter - 10mm (this pic looks like I didn't line it up right, but I did that because I wasn't holding the butterfly open WOT cos only 2 hands, and I think it's accurate or very close)
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    So VH45 TB open surface area (minus the shaft) comes up as 19146mm^2 and Z32 TB open surface area (minus the shaft) comes up as 7661mm^2.

    Which gives a ratio of about 2.5 times larger.
     
  15. maTTz

    maTTz 500 Club

    haha nice one simmo, that nick could stick~

    yeah it should look like a stock plenum, on steroids - that's what i'm gunning for :zlove:
     
  16. maTTz

    maTTz 500 Club

    Yep, I cut it open with my oxy so I was able to take the time to play with it and get some experience with it. It will be fun, I'm counting on it :cool: That's why I do things like this, because I CAN :zlove:
     
  17. maTTz

    maTTz 500 Club

    Yes, varying the throttle cable linkage cam thing to develop a profile that has a varying distance from the axis of rotation has been considered, it'll result in a non-linear foot response though - I'll solve those issues when I come to it.
     
  18. BurgerZ

    BurgerZ Banned

    Why doesnt it look 2.5X bigger from this pic? :bash:

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  19. Claymen

    Claymen Active Member

    Area of a circle mate. (Pi x R^2)

    For example 4" vs 3" vs 2"

    4" Diameter = 12.56~ inches square of area
    3" Diameter = 7.06~ inches square of area
    2" Diameter = 3.14~ inches square of area

    So although 3" isnt double 2" in terms of diameter it is more than double in terms of area. And 4" which is double 2" in diameter is 3x larger in area.

    This image below should help.
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    These 3 circles are 200, 300 and 400 units across.
     
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2008
  20. MAX

    MAX Ex Zedder

    2.5 times bigger

    deceiving because it goes up in area as a square, not lineally.
     

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