MSP manifolds sale

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one difference i can see is the difference in the number of welds on the wastegate runner

 

The photography is also better in the second picture.

Doesn't stop them being blatant copies.

 

for christs sake,they are bent pieces of pipe lol
What next,i dont see you harping on about zrated selling camber arms under his own brand name when he clearly didnt design them or is he too close to home ??
Why you guys choose to fight a long distance battle when it has shit all to do with you and has already been played out on the forums in the u.s numerous times is beyond me,did you say something on their thread over there(of course you did ,post the link for us ??)

 

Tom doesnt claim that he designed them. This whole issue would be resolved if AMS would just say this is a copy of Mike Smiths design and they didnt do the R&D themselves.

 

one thing im very curious on,does anyone know if he took out a patent/copyright on this design,too much on too many threads over there to check

 

I can't imagine there'd be a whole lot of R&D simply making a larger better flowing version of the stock manifolds.

 

which is what ive been saying ,they are bent pieces of pipe,not a cure for cancer,maybe nissan should sue the both of them

 

Did Mike Smith get a patent? As far as I know no he didnt. Still doesn't give AMS a right to claim it for themselves.

 

So why isnt everybody doing it?

 

oh yes it does ,if he designed it and was stupid enough not to,its up for grabs im afraid
Why do you think the patent office exists lol
If ams takes out a patent,ms is screwed ,VUK must be a bit slow or has the wrong advisors working for him

 

I was referring to the ethical side of the debate. Thats where my problem lies with AMS/Vuk.

Also: I'm far from a lawyer but even if AMS take a patent on it, I think Mike would have the proof to claim the intellectual copyright over it.

 

Hey Guys,

Just a word to the wise! As they teach us in University critical analysis is key. Get both sides of the story before coming to a conclusion. This subject has been beat to death and plenty of grown men crying on the other side.

Our manifolds for the record are not copies of MS. If they were they would flow the same, look exactly the same etc. Our AMS units do flow better as independently tested and are far better priced from the get go and even currently with our 'AT-PAR' pricing! This is called economies of scale plain and simple. Hundreds have been sold since inception and the AMS units are always in stock and will always be better priced than MS period!

I keep hearing innovation etc. We've had quite a few parts for various rides which are industry firsts such as the R35/GTR Pulley to name but one. We have several other products in the works for Z's and other Nissan's along with our new division we've been working on for over a year. This 'Prestige' division will cover many of the industry's most desired vehicles from around the globe.

We are also a 'legit' corporate entity with SEMA membership and several other industry accreditation with long standing support for the Z community since 1992! Our commitment and support through events such as Zcon, Zdayz, Znationals etc will demonstrate this clearly. Spending roughly $30,000.00 last year alone for said events for the Z community throughout North Aerica is but a small example of what we are about.

In these tough times consumers will be harder pressed to purchase some items that are 'claimed' to be better by a fan-boy based site to support perceived innovation. All parts are an improvement to some degree over stock components. The manifolds are a very easy example as the shape for OEM turbo mounting is similar to the aftermarket versions.

I suggest some light reading through our web-site for those needing further info on our dealings and exposure in the industry.

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

Typical rhetoric that TT.Net will condone. I expect this from their camp. Good thing most other non-censored sites will see right through this

Regards,

Vuk@AMS
www.amszstore.com

 

The rhetoric is amusing at the very least. Most have seen through this as demonstrated by our successful sales

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

The concept of expansion pipes has been available on several applications prior to the Z. I guess we all copied to some degree?

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

Definitely not slow

Alot of coin needed to draw up the cast (thousands) and then to order inventory. In this economy not likely to happen - even in good times! We have contracts with our manufacturers regarding 'Exclusivity' so we are covered on our end! Designs are different than MS so even if MS had a patent they are different so no worries from our front!

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

i believe that's where the SZ ones crack and AMS improved on the design by eliminating that.

 

get over it. you know how many control arms, for example, are out there that all look almost the same? tires, connecting rods, pistons, you name it. the list goes on and on and on and on! most of the parts are also just a slight variation from stock anyway, like the manifolds obviously are. maybe nissan should go after everyone for 'copying' every part. i bet i could look at the mods list of anyone's car here and find a 'copied' part. this debate is old and quite boring. again, i urge you to get over it.

BTW, anyone who decides to go with the MS mannies (i'm not sure why they would for no better quality at a higher price) can also thank AMS for the suddenly lower price and their subsequent savings. had the AMS units not come along as competition due to the supply/demand issues that actually did/do exist, then the MS mannies would still have the monopoly on the market and be going for the inflated price of $1100 USD. monopolies aren't good anywhere/anytime for consumers. people who could never afford them can now get in on the game. at least now, with competition, the consumers clearly are winning.