engine pre-lube kit and sump mods

Discussion in 'Technical' started by method, Nov 10, 2006.

  1. method

    method Active Member

    I didn't think the tank had to be filled with nitrogen? The tank is definately empty because I have checked. As far as filling up the tank, that is easily done. I don't see how you can't put oil into it, pressurize it and go from there?

    Do you actually have one of these kits or are u just saying stuff based on your assumptions of how it works?

    Your oil capacity is actually increased, regardless of where it is stored btw. It is better to have oil stored or added to the system that eventaully gets cycled through the rest of the system than to have the stock level.

     
  2. method

    method Active Member

    This is direct from the instructions:


    "add 30-40 pounds of air with the air valve"

    "engine pressurizes the storage tank" (but it can be done via the valve)

    "after engine fills tank, check oil level and add required amount" (so the engines oil capacity has increased regardless of where it is stored it is going to be cycled through on each start)

    "when you turn the key, the pressure gauge will register pressure without starting the car"

    "the engine will be pressurized before the first revolution of the crankshaft"

    I don't see nitrogen listen anywhere, nor do I see how you can't fill/pressurize the bottle manually by looking at the kits components. I also see that it is clearly stated that you CAN pressurize the bottle with the valve by using air only.

    From what I understand, and from what the instructions show, you could add 600ml to the engine manually, pressurize the tank manually, and then pressurize the sytem without starting the car.


     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2006
  3. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    Hmm

    I don't see how you can't put oil into it, pressurize it and go from there?
    Is this what you are going to do method?
    My understanding is, you pressurize the empty tank, turn the key to on, not start, this releases the pressure into the oil system, which in turn fills the tank with oil at about the same pressure as was released. Then top up the engine oil.
     
  4. method

    method Active Member

    I am only going to do it for the initial crank of my new engine. After that first time, the system pressurizes automatically when the engine is running.

     
  5. Baron

    Baron Active Member

  6. method

    method Active Member

    how what? It's mentioned in the instructions, you can trigger the system manually.

     
  7. Baron

    Baron Active Member

    How are you going to get the oil into it? It's filled each time the engine starts, and discharghed prior to start
     
  8. beaver

    beaver southern zeds

    This is how!

    This is an accumulator system where the oil is stored in a pressurized tank and then released into the oil galleries when you turn the key... how does it work?? The tank is connected to a solenoid which in turn connects to hydraulic tubing which connects to the oil system somewhere, usually the oil pressure sender. The solenoid is only open when the key is on "ON" or engine running.... with the engine running, the oil is forced into the tank. When you switch off the engine, the solenoid switches off and keeps the oil under pressure in the tank. The pressure is determined by whatever the pressure was when you turned the engine off. For our cars, at idle, thats about 30-40 psi. The next time the key is turned back to "on" (before you crank the engine), the solenoid opens, and the oil rushes out to fill the galleries and coat all the bearings etc before you crank the engine....

    From jedi's install guide.
     
  9. method

    method Active Member

    perfect description. I can pump oil into it manually and then pressurize it, and trigger the solenoid manually before starting the car for the first time. The oil will discharge and when the car is started it will re-fill. It seems similar to filling up water fire extinguishers, add water then pressurize.

     
  10. JEDI-77

    JEDI-77 Jedi Master

    guys... a little misunderstanding...

    Ok firstly, the only way oil gets into the accumulator tank is by running the engine. Adding pressure to the tank and then turning the key will just release that pressure in the oil galleries and thats it.... it wont force oil into the tank... The instructions may be somewhat misleading (i dont have them infront of me). Having spoken to the manufcature, he said to me, that for our cars, we have no need to add extra air to the tank. Essentially, connect the system. Turn on the car, let it run for about 30seconds. This puts oil into the accumulator. Recheck oil level and add oil as required. Then at next turn of key, the oil in the tank will be forced out into the galleries. When the car is switched off and switched back on, the whole process is repeated.

    What you could do (as in methods case) if you wanted to coat internals on a new engine like what method wants to is: Pour the oil directly into the tank. Connect the associated hoses and solenoids and then add about 30-40psi to the tank. Then on the first turn of the key, all that oill will be forced out under high pressure.

    Also, on oil changes, I release the oil from the tank and then add about 40psi to force out any last remants of oil that may remain in the tank...

    Cheers

     
  11. rollin

    rollin First 9

    Pics of my tt sump, sorry they are shite

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  12. method

    method Active Member

    thanks for that, how much extra oil does it hold now?

     
  13. rollin

    rollin First 9


    last time i put oil in i put 5l with no filter change, ill get you the dimensions and beter pics next time its on the hoist,
     
  14. method

    method Active Member

    thanks that would be cool!

     

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