Called Joe Imbesi..

Paranoia???

Your advice re: power figures for a Z32 (and the ease with which they can be obtained) are not borne-out elsewhere in Australia. If you see this as "anti-vic" comment, then you are sadly mistaken.

That would be why you fitted NOS to your car, would it?
I don't give a stuff, what power other people have from their cars, each to his/her own. What I do care about, is people making silly, unsupported claims, which lead other less experienced owners into believing that they can achieve miracles with relatively little cost.

Have you ever had to do a complete engine rebuild (necessary if you want a reliable high-power engine), if not, then you don't really know what it costs.

I have never driven down a Drag Strip, and I have no interest in doing so, but I think there are a hell of a lot of Z32 owners in Australia, who are interested, so why don't you tell them how to crack 12secs (without big horsepower)??

At 62yrs old, I think I'm entitled to make comments based on my experience, if those comments differ to yours, then so be it.

That is not VIC bashing, Paul.
In the words of a well known Victorian Zed owner, GET OVER IT!

 

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To be honest, I got the nos kit very cheap at the time off a friend who was selling the car and he was offered the same price with/without the kit. As a friend i offered to buy it to get him some more money to do what he wanted to do. For some reason, to myself this does not look like I bought it for competition? If you see it that way then maybe its our age difference which makes us think so differently.

What did the nos kit have anything to do with? Did I mention anything about it?

If i thought it was competition I would go and draw some of my money from the bank and get a race-built engine, but that isn't my intention and I see that as a waste of money. Again, thats MY opinion.

I don't know about you or anyone else, but my world doesn't revolve around online car forums. I tend to get out a fair bit and meet different people, see what they drive and speak to many others. Just because there isn't 100 12second Z's on the forum doesn't mean they don't exist, if you think that way then you need to get out more often.

For example, I am not going to mention the car but this car has been stroked up 0.5L 'yes a new crank', has a FMIC, fully forged internals, T61 turbo with custom 4" piping, custom fuel rails and lines, microtech ecu and many other things. Along with a $9000 gear box, all this was done for < $25,000 including the box. If you lived in VIC there are many many workshops around campbelfield and surrounding suburbs which will do this for you, you just have to know where to go and who to talk to. I am not saying I know all of them and the ones I do know I wouldn't like to discuss over a forum anyhow.

I didn't say I could do it, I simply said you don't need 300rwkw to run a 12 second pass.

You are more of a drama queen than what I thought you were, you take something tiny and turn it into something huge. I don't have to get over anything because I enjoy this, if it is making you stress then maybe you should try taking the words of the Z owner :thumbsup:

Also, if you have no intentions of taking your car to the track/strip why do you modify it and make it illegal? Even if your car passes emissions, that doesn't make it legal if you have no EGR etc. If it is different in NSW then so be it, but I am sure if someone went over your car well enough something would be defective. Do you do it for competition? I think not, you do it for yourself, just like how I bought the nos kit for myself.

 

Unproven allegations re:mods.

Paul, you are an annoying little child.
You are the one who decided to make "something out of nothing", by getting your back up, when I suggested that gaining 300rwkw was a little more involved than was stated in this thread.
All of the nonsensical allegations of "vic bashing", "illegal mods", "non-exsistant EGR's", "over stated/inaccurate Sydney Dyno readings", etc.,etc.,etc., came from you (as did the usual personal insults).

There must be something in the water down there, as there has been an outbreak of this sort of crap emminating from down south, during to past two weeks.

 

Agreed - 10k... Bahh I just did a 14.8 on the G-Tech :LOL: go aussie!

 

I replied just to stand my ground when you assumed that I have nos

becuase I see this as a competition. The 'no egr' was an example, as I recall you saying something about your car still passing emissions with certain mods a few days ago.

These certainly aren't nonsensical allegations. If you are a regular reader of this forum you would know a lot of that is true. I am not going to waste my time searching for proof because I don't have to prove or see the point in proving anything to myself or anyone else, if you read, you know it is there.

Thats about the only thing I agree with, I always insult you don't I? I love it, come on.. you know I do :thumbsup:

 

My 2cents. I totally agree with CHILI...

I have spent 10K on my engine & got no where near 300rwkw. Sure that was a few years ago, but still come on guys keep it real.
I thought this was supposed to be about enthusists sharing a common interest with honest information to keep the newbies on the straight & narrow?!
This is like a battle field with anyone ready to throw up any old information based on... who knows, not many here have spent those dollars on their engine alone & probably never will.

And as for 'an outbreak of this sort of crap in the last 2 weeks', jeez guys i havent been on this discussion board in 2 years & its still happening! No finger pointing here, its just a shame its still happening.

Keep the dream alive guys & try to keep it real!:zlove:

Cheers,
James

 

I agree...

the last thing you want from this is a new member thinking great, with 10k Im making 350rwkw with a car thats going to last. I just dont believe it. Fine method, I accept that you think it can be done, but until you do it yourself or personally know someone who has done this then I just dont accept it as credible. Thats just my opinion only however and you obviously disagree. Thats what opinions are for.

I consider I got a fantastic deal on the labour on my rebuild, plus I bought my parts mostly direct from the US over months to save every dollar I could and Im not even in the ballpark of 10k. In fact to get my car to where it is now Ive spent more than 10 times that amount. Some of that money is wasted by repeating a few things here and there and a dodgy mech or two but mostly not. I reckon Im one of the few guys on here who can honestly appreciate what it takes to make a reliable high HP car that will LAST.

 

why are so many people narrow minded?

It is common sense that if you spend more it is obviously going to be more reliable. From the start I said you don'
t have to spend that much to get 300-350rwkw. I never said I am going to do it, when I do aim for that I will be like yourself, I want everything to be done once and done properly.

In no way am I telling new members to run out and try to get that power for such a little price.

ZisLuv you must understand that your car is / will be close to perfect, not everyone wants to spend that type of their money on their car even if they can.

You also can't be misleading new members and saying to get good power you will have to spend around $100,000. If I was new and was told that I would rather spend $100,000 and buy a porsche, GTR 'and spend another $50k on mods' or an audi Sx etc, not spend $15k on a Z and another $100,000 on it.

If this is an open forum, people should be able to state what they know and give different opinions on things, just because someone puts up a post doesn't mean all new/current members have to run out and do/try it.

dot.

 

I don't know about you but generally I like to treat and think

people on this forum as mates who are thrown together cause we have the same great car.

I dont care where you live in Australia. The thing about Aussies is that there are no big cultural differences between us all. We mostly all have the same accents and the similar outlooks. Not like the people in the USA where there are huge social boundarys, lines and stereo types drawn between people from around the country

I started to read TT.net and all I can say about that is that there are so many fuckwits and smart arses on there it is a bloody pain to read. everyone pitted against everyone else for no good reason except to try to get a rise out of people.

Now I have nothing against a good stousche every now and then as it proves that we are alive. I also have a bit of respect for other peoples opinions. I beleive we are all entitled to one. Just cause I dont agree doesnt mean shit really.

The ideal for us all is to state your reasons and then evaluate the responses. If they are valid you can then change your opinion.

I wouldnt like this forum to get to the point of being a tit for tat bullshit forum like TT.net.

I look at that forum and thank god ours is not like that. 95% of the answers to posts over there are total crud and add nothing to out level of understanding of the car.

Lets get it straight and understand. Everyone is entitled to an opionion whether we like it or not. The best way to approach questions like the one we have here is basically to state your case with ideas then back them up with your facts. The be prepared for people to counter with theirs. Somewhere between those is the truth!

 

I have to agree with that, however the problem I see is that the forum

responses to posts like this mainly revolve around a small group of workshops i.e UAS, Nisport and Zshop.

Just because people have had some good/bad experiences with these places, doesn't mean they are the only ones which exist that know how to work on a Z!! You only have to grab the yellow pages and see for yourself how many mechanics actually exist!

I have visited many mechanics with friends when they have wanted to look/get/fix something on their car. I discovered that there are quite a few knowledgeable Z mechanics around. I also found that there are some mechanics who don't really deal with gearbox problems yet they know more about them than the specialist places. There were some mechanics who knew the electrical systems back to front on virtually every car and some who treat an engine as that.. an engine. There are a LOT of good and a LOT of bad mechanics out there, you just have to go by word of mouth or try them out.

Some people seem to have a problem when other people can find better deals / received a better deal. Sometimes the thoughts on this are that something is wrong with the work done or the product purchased just because the work was not carried out at an above work shop, a workshop known to them, or the product wasn't stamped with the best brand known to them.

The main reason why I don't like recommending places is because if someone takes their car there and for what ever reason something doesn't work out, I feel bad, thats just how I am.

If you like to spend in excess of $100,000 on your car to ensure it is reliable, who is to say it will be 100% reliable? V8 supercars and F1 cars break down and blow engines all the time as well you have to remember that.

If you like to spend such a great amount on your car 'I know I do' then do it, if you don't want to, then so be it. I see no problem here, but what I do see as a problem is this: person 'A' likes to spend 'x' amount on their car. This does not mean that their car is perfect or that person 'B' has to spend the same amount on their car and get all work done at the same place person 'A' did. It is an open forum, if an individual can do things / get things differently to another individual what is the big problem?

The same sort of thing happened with the FS section, traders and ebay replies. More than half of the ebay products didn't exist, could not be found or were a different product all together yet people still wanted to complain and whinge and not accept that there is different products for different prices which may or may not do the same thing. Everything had to be what THEY thought was good and well priced.

NB: For the idiotic people who believe person 'A', person 'B' or 'x' amount has anything to do with them, i will state the obvious and let you know it is an example and it refers to no one here or anyone for that matter.

 

You completely go off on tangents method

I never said anything about needing to spend 100k to get it reliable. Your taking peoples comments and running off in wild directions with them. What I said was, that coming from people who have spent money on getting high HP we have a good idea what it takes, whereas you havent and all yours is just theory and speculation.

Your big sticking point seems to be the price and quality of mechanics. Even without mechanical work I think youd struggle to get a decent result for 10k, Im just talking parts here. So unless you can manufacture the parts yourself for nothing in your backyard, then get these expert mechanics to do the work for free your going to have trouble.

Anyway, as I said thats your opinion and I choose to disagree. If you see that as closed minded fine, I see it as reality. Nothing more to say on the matter really.

 

You will note I stay out of the workshop arguments completely

I have no experience with any of them therefore dont have a valid comment.

I choose to do all this sort of work myself, purely cause I dont have the money to throw at the car for labour like some people seem to.

As I said above, You can only state your experience with a workshop and why you think like this.

Basically let others decide from the posts where they will take their car. The tit for tat arguments I see seemingly every week dont really do anyone a lot of good. Also the information after one of these threads is pretty crappy to the point that the original poster still wont know what or where to go. Just give people the info and let them decide for themselves.

:LOL::LOL::LOL:

Just getting back to you point about alternative mechanics.

I actually think it is enough to basically list who they are and the good experience you have had with them and let others decide for themselves.

We all know the zed is just a car, but by the same token it is a complex one. I agree about the normal zed mechanics mentioned here not being the only ones.

Working on a Z32 isnt brain sugery for anyone competant.

It should be enough to list who we believe they are, and why.

 

Well you did say

That you can have a reliable 350+rwkw car done for less than $10K and that if you got anything less than 300rwkw for $10K then you would be getting ripped off. Keep in mind the labour involved in building these engines to that kind of power will be MUCH more than removing and refitting an engine!)

(I would also advise that if building a car to that power, that some effort be dedicated to the braking system and getting some fatter tyres). But hey, its your life.

Considering how many members have spent far more than $10K getting close to or over 300kw, you can understand why they wouldn't agree with your claim on them being ripped off.

You also claimed that there would be heaps of people out there who could easily get 400kw next week if they wanted. (I wish it took that long hehe). I dont think many people would have that sort of money lying around to do if they wanted (perhaps if they morgaged their house! ), but you again have led on that modifying a zed can be a real cheap experience, and those who have spent lots have done so unnessessarily as according to you they could have still had a reliable and powerful car for cheaper.

Still waiting on these 'high' sydney dyno readings though I am confused as to what dyno readings you could possibly be referring to????

 

Re: Well you did say

There are many cars on tt.net pushing over 300rwkw and a lot of them still have the engine internals mostly standard which would save thousands of dollars. I am not saying and never did say I would keep everything standard, I just said it isn't a requirement to replace and have everything forged.

I don't have 295 tyres sitting here in my room for no reason. I have considered getting 6pot front callipers and 4 pot rears many times and will do so and even just purchased new wheels to compliment such an upgrade, so hey, it is my life but again, we were talking about engine money not all around money.

That isn't my problem if people 'feel' ripped off.

There are lot of people who could go out and spend that sort of money. Do you know how much any of us have in the bank? I think not, you shouldn't assume things like that about other people. I am not trying to prove anything by saying this but I personally know some people who are worth well over $200m and also one worth probably close to $1b who just developed victoria gardens here in victoria, and is pretty much re-developing that whole area. Only about 3 of them which I know of have got good cars, i.e 2-4 cars worth >$300k The rest drive old crappy get around cars, and have no intentions of buying a half decent car at all, let alone spend money on what they already have. Personally I would enjoy myself a bit if I am ever that wealthy but each to their own.

 

re: ->

It isn't really theory and speculation. If anyone here ever attends / has attended street drags then you will know it isn't theory and speculation, as I said earlier, just because these people don't even know how to use a computer doesn't mean they don't exist.

If I spent $4k and bought the same turbos as yourself, and another $1k for decent dumps etc put them on the car with a bit of a tune and didn't push close to or over 300rwkw I would be surprised. $4k is a lot to spend on turbos. They are probably the best quality but for half that amount you could get laggy big horsepower turbos and make good power.

As stated in my post earlier, the amount of work put into that stroked car is a lot more than what most do here and he has only spent that much inlcuding the $9k box. But if you or anyone else wish to think it is all theory, attend street meets and see for yourself.

Anyone who wishes to attend these events does so at their own risk because even attending but not driving you can still get charged for it.

 

You missed my point

We are talking 350+kw for under $10K which you said could be done reliably. (and thats a BIG difference than 300kw) Also the only labour you provided in your estimate was removing and refitting an engine. I can tell you that its much much more involved than that. What gives?

Was talking about the estimates given sorry. Not your personal situation. I'm glad you yourself have been wise enough to devote some funds to this. I think that wisdom should be shared and if anyone wants to achieve 350+kw I think it should be encouraged that attention be delivered to the brakes and tyres as well.

No one was feeling ripped off. Thats why we were arguing with you

You mean like the way you assumed lots of people on this forum could comfortably afford to modify their zed to that extent??

All those quotes but you still didn't explain to me about these phantom high sydney dyno readings :wacko: :LOL:

 

I hope this isn't the sort of activity we see on the news about stupid hoons doing illegal street racing and stupid behaviour rather than having the courage to take it to a track!! If so, thats not the sort of crowd i'd want to be associated with or learn anything from. I hope noone takes their zed to these meets, let alone attend them. If you do method, then enough said really.... :unsure::unsure: But god, I hope not

 

Sorry if I missed your point

You can snatch 40rwkw by using nos if you wanted to. Speaking to the so called 'experts' the power from using such a tool has the same stress on the engine as doing other mods to achieve such a figure. I am going by what I was told from the guys in melbourne who sell and install it. So you could achieve it if you really wanted to.

Agree on that, these upgrades should be talked about every time a post relating to power comes up.

If they weren't feeling ripped off they would agree that if they got out more often and discovered some things which one may think can't be done, can be done and also not be so narrow minded on that it isn't a possibility.

I do assume that because I believe a lot of them probably could and know some who could. Mind you there is something like 2000 members or more? I am sure a lot of them could and would do it if they wanted to. As for the dyno figures, it came up ages ago, I am talking probably a year ago. I really can't be bothered and find it pointless to prove anything about that. I have better things to do with my time while I am at home than play with a search function.

Anyhow, I really don't find the point in trying to share what I know with people here on this topic any more. According to most it can't be done. If you believe that then who cares, it's your life and your problem if you spend 5 or 10 times that much. I was trying to say that from the start there is a world outside this forum which some people probably don't even know about by the looks of it. End Of Story.

Thank you :thumbsup:

 

Just to clarify, I have never taken the Z to one of these but I admit to at

tending them in the past and arn't ashamed to admit that. It wakes you up and is very different from what you see on TV. I have seen the result of a friend trying to race at the twisties in VIC. It wasn't good, I am slightly more switched on than most people think I am on this forum. But then again, that's me I don't really care what people think about me or my friends for that matter so you are free to say/think what you like.

I have met / made many good friends on this forum, learned heaps and heaps, enjoy sharing what I know with other people, helping out when possible etc. These are the reasons why I use the forum. Hate me or like me I am here to stay :thumbsup:

 

Yes...I'm Asian with an ocre accent but without the gut :LOL: