Ams inc. Suspension featured in pas mag!

How can trying to hang a supplier because of other-side-of-the-planet bias and bickering be helpful?

It's all been discussed before(broken bits, although not suspension per say), have a good read: http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318584

I wish they'd keep it in their forums instead of routinely bringing their cattiness here.

 

Who's trying to hang a supplier?? - Wheres did you get that from?

Not interested in bias or bickering myself - I'm just interested in seeing any suspension parts that have faults or are alleged to have faults, last thing I and others want to do, is buy a faulty suspension part that is well known to others as being faulty. (If it justified as a fault and not just someone hammering the particular part with unfair/ undue stresses etc)

"Its all been discussed before - although not suspension per say" - thats a misnomer statement in itself - I'm talking about suspension parts since it was raised and I'm not referring about a particular part in another post, rather any part at all in suspension that others know about that have had issues in design / fault or even storage (rust etc)

I agree keep the cattiness elsewhere - I'm not interested in that myself rather I am just interested myself in knowing about any faulty suspension parts that others have encountered, so I don't end up buying one myself !

I checked the link you put in but quickly skipped it because I'm not into the cattiness as you put it

Try not to read into something else thats not even there and take it out of context

 

Well if thats it, you have been shown ONE suspension arm with corrosion that was replaced under warranty.
And i bet that crank pulley was hammered on lol

 

Yes. I thought the same thing. Why is everybody else in this thread talking about cheap knock-off parts versus genuine parts when this thread was clearly about a hottie on the front of a car magazine?

Everyone else on this forum must be gay (not that there is anything wrong with that)

 

For those arguing innovation and new products and/or firsts we have plenty in the works and one most notable are the timing covers which were demanded for years and brought to the market by AMS:

http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=319620&highlight=ams

The other comparable products were brought to market as a result of high competitor prices coupled with low supplies and high demands from the consumer. Companies are here to fill the void the market demands plain and simple. Competition benefits the consumer the most as they can choose and be assured best value for their money if desired.

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

So Sayeth teh Dawson! :rofl:

 

The beneficiaries are the business's that operate efficiently and price target properly from the inception while offering a comparable product, industry leading warranties with staying power dating back to the early 90s. We fall in that category and have been successful in that respect.

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

I've always thought people are too harsh...

...on those who copy and refine parts.

I look at it this way, a part is designed to do a task as simply and efficiently as possible. It's not like it's an invention or something revolutionary hence nobody can usually patent such parts.

If people want to copy and improve products that are available GREAT!
If this never happened we'd all be driving Model T's still.
Or still paying Wheel Inc royalties to whoever first rolled a stone down a hill.

But those who blatantly copy parts, and then make inferior copies purely for profit, well that's another story. *coughs*

 

Any client that has directly handled our products whether similar to competitors and/or unique (timing covers for instance) would realize that they work as advertised and have backing from the manufacturers with respect to warranties if an issue should arise.

In short, unless individuals have directly handled and experienced our products (in this case the Editor of PAS magazine) and compared them to OEM and/or other competitor units then opinions especially from a few detractors who have never even seen our products in person (they also happen to be friends of competitors alot of the time) should be looked upon with constructive rationale at the very least.

All OEM parts in essence are refined as are a lot of competitor products to a degree. If not we would be driving the Model T as you stated Clients preference on what they choose parts wise usually boils down to: price, availability, warranty, company offering the part. In terms of the company/vendor the client may attribute longevity in the marketplace, legal operations, industry accreditation and acknowledgement in their decision making process. This is what we have found to be the case most of the time which has resulted in our continued advancement in the aftermarket realm.

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

You mean like Charles Park and Brett Dempsey? Both of them dissected your version of their product and have pointed out (in great detail, I might add), the deficiencies of the AMS product that were incorporated in an attempt to cut corners and maximize profit. I will gladly provide links if it will job your memory. And, before you ask, I have seen the stuff from Charles Park in person. I'm an eye witness as well.

Regards,

Travis@Z32 Enthusiasts Against AMS (Canada)

With an emphasis on the latter, unfortunately. It's never fun to see a once reputable and well respected enthusiast in the Z32 community get dragged down by the weight of greed.

 

As stated from the get go this is a feature in a major publication regarding our suspension products and the direct feedback from the end user. Your sig and affiliations with our competitors are noted by the readers here and I am sure they can translate the undertones.

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

Do you forget your signature also points out your undertones? The real question is who has more to lose? Who has more of a need to twist the truth? Do I need to twist it to keep making AMS look bad or do you need to twist it in order to keep AMS from looking bad all on its own?

You asked for someone to only speak if they are an eyewitness. I guess I'll put the check in that box.

You implied nobody has compared the two parts side by side in their hands. I gave 2 examples of intricate comparisons. In fact, I didn't even mention the Driftworks comparison that was done.

You can't ask for something and then get mad when somebody provides the answer.

 

We can argue semantics all day as we clearly do not see eye to eye. Once again the thread is about 'direct' first hand accounts of AMS suspension products as published in a major publication.

Regards,

Vuk@AMS

 

And my stance stems from a direct first hand account (i.e. my own eyeballs and hands) of AMS suspension products as shown by a major suspension innovator.

How are we any different in our qualification to speak here?

 

Any posts you have in relation to AMS are tainted, your not interested in there suspension parts or the hottie on the cover. You have an agenda to cast them in a bad light to who ever will listen.

 

You have had your say, and made your point so leave it at that. Don't degrade the thread any more.

 

I'll reluctantly abide but I do disagree. Vuk isn't sharing "cool stuff" with the crowd. He's throwing out a sales pitch and performing subliminal marketing. This can be seen throughout the wording of his posts. My posts may be tainted with a distaste for anything AMS but Vuk's are equally as tainted by the fact that it is his business and he will say anything to promote it even if it isn't the truth.

I'm of the firm belief that if one has the right to speak for something, another has the right to speak against it. That being said, you are the boss so I'll have to abide by your house rules.