Q for DIY tuners

Discussion in 'Technical' started by sevenangrypenguins, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. sevenangrypenguins

    sevenangrypenguins Active Member

    just wondering what sort of timing the vg30dett can take before it starts to ping? I'm using nistune and am running 23 deg from about 4k to redline with no hint of pining, i thought this seemed a bit high though stock is like 19-20 deg

    Also do vg30's usually ping before they reach MBT??
     
  2. 90TTZ

    90TTZ Back From The Dead

    The factors that correlate to detonation can vary, mainly from the quality of fuel to the intake charge temperature. 23 BTDC is pretty stock for an N/A although I have tuned a couple of TT's with this sort of timing but with relatively conservative boost on stock turbos.

    Two questions for you;

    1. How do you know it's not pinging?

    2. What is MBT?
     
  3. sevenangrypenguins

    sevenangrypenguins Active Member

    well you cant hear it pinging I haven't got around to installing a knock detection system as yet. I'm running 1 bar boost on stock turbo's and afr's are pretty close to 12:1

    I'll most likely back a few degress out until I upgrade the coolers.

    mbt-maximum brake torque which you obviously need a dyno to determine
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2009
  4. scooba84

    scooba84 Brassier Inspector

    Maximum Brake Torque
     
  5. scooba84

    scooba84 Brassier Inspector

    ahh posted at the same time!! damn you chris!!
     
  6. sevenangrypenguins

    sevenangrypenguins Active Member

    haha my tune is looking pretty good now car runs sweet!!
     
  7. scooba84

    scooba84 Brassier Inspector

    nice. give me your map when you are done. might stop spraying cars behind me with my richness!
     
  8. sevenangrypenguins

    sevenangrypenguins Active Member

    its pretty much done now just fine tuning it, can chuck it in on the weekend if you like, ill richen it up a bit and take timing out for yours though until we can check it with the wideband
     
  9. scooba84

    scooba84 Brassier Inspector

    sweet. here is my last dyno sheet. check out afr, its on the piss BIG time!

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  10. rollin

    rollin First 9

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    I use AMMS too,

    only bad news for u is that 30 deg difference between IT and AT means a grossly inflated figure
     
  11. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    What is AT and IT ?

    Intake temp / Ambient temp ?
     
  12. 90TTZ

    90TTZ Back From The Dead

    Yes
     
  13. MoulaZX

    MoulaZX #TEAMROB

    Hey mate, love the figures.

    Wondering what sort of mods you got, got a list somewhere?

    Curious because mine hit about 284hp (211.8rwkw) at the wheels not too long ago with a mild tune. Wondering if I can hit something close to yours by fine tuning her if our mods are realtively the same.

    MoulaZX
     
  14. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    That's because it was the Dyno day you organised :p
     
  15. sevenangrypenguins

    sevenangrypenguins Active Member

    can we get another one organised?? :)
     
  16. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    There's one coming up in Feb...
     
  17. brisz

    brisz Well-Known Member

    Where do they stick the thermocouple ?

    Just interested how they do a temp install.
     
  18. zx299

    zx299 Well-Known Member

    19-20 degrees is for pussies.....

    like JWT & Mr Nissan :rolleyes:

    Mr Nissan had to give a warranty so his maps were peaking at 20 degrees with 9.5 afr's on 9lbs boost....... that combination was removing "detonation" from the dictionary :D
     
  19. sevenangrypenguins

    sevenangrypenguins Active Member

    turns out 23 deg is to much, after a few hot laps at QR it started to ping. So intercooler is now on the endless list of things to do. I think I was also getting some oil in the intake through the pcv's when cornering... maybe?
     
  20. tom@pzp

    tom@pzp www.pzp.com.au

    That kind of timing at that boost, with 98ron fuel is a mixture for detonation. If you can hear detonation while you're driving the car, it's pinging it's friggin brains out! Are you talking about 23degrees where torque is at its max or at redline? Invest in a kmon or something and you'll really hear the knock....!!!
     

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