Conspiracy theory or Reality?

Interesting Videos that might change the way you see things.

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definitely a conspiracy:thumbsup: Glad it's the US:LOL:

 

Interesting footage...

You can see, if you look closely that Kennedy had already been shot before the fatal head shot. His wife was holding him/comforting him as he was slightly slumped over.

 

So i'm not the only one that thinks that. :thumbsup: :unsure:

Got to agree with the sep 11 thing as well. There were so many things leading up to it that weren't released to the public originally.

 

Re: So i'm not the only one that thinks that. :thumbsup: :unsure:

There goes half my monthly download quota. :LOL:

Worth the watch anyway. :thumbsup:

 

Yeah, it's a real eye-opener ey. Very interesting views on those events.

It was a very well put together documentary and excellent commentary aswell.

 

Its amazing how the truth is always out their but we just gotta go out of

our way to find it. And their is no doubt that their are forces which are keeping the majority of human kind away from the truth..since 97% of humans on earth beleive in god you cant help but to think that evil is present and running the show.

What opened my eyes is all these wars against Islam specially through the media to make it look bad etc I couldnt help but think its all by evil forces trying to stop people worshipping the one true God due to the rapid growth of Islam globally making the worlds largest and fastest growing religion and worship of one god.

Anything that is a threat to satan/evil i guess gets turned into a escapegoat through the media so they get mass acceptance and backup from societies which are fooled to think its good to go to war or its credible. Than they send their armies in to try to dismantle the threat against evil before it shows people the truth about the purpose of life.

I wish they showed documentries of truth on tv so that the mass of people could see it..Another proof that the media is in evil hands because if it wasnt then the truth and objective and unbias thoughts would come out rather then brainwashing material.

Awesome video..

 

as someone once said

The best trick the devil ever pulled, was to convince everyone he did not exist. goverments are no differnt than the devil,

 

Religion has been used to control populations for almost as long as it has

When humans first achieved sentients while moving along their evolutionary paths a whole new world would have opened up. But while they would have developed an understanding that they existed they did not have the same understanding of the natural world around them. To fill in some of the blanks regarding their origins and the nature of the universe they used a supernatural model. Now as we learn more about the universe and the natural laws that supernatural model is needed less and less. Unfortunately however the institutions that support the supernatural based philosophies are not adapting to our new understanding and bitterly cling to their old views for a number of reasons. The most disconcerting is power and control.
While religion was an attempt by early sentient humans to explain our existence it quickly became obvious to some that it could also be used to control individuals who had faith. That control can be extremely strong. It is also a situation that will not be quickly or easily reversed and will continue to cause tensions well into the future.

 

I disagree

What your suggesting is that we have no need for God as we get more and more advanced. The highest form of supernatural is the worship of God. This is the atheistic view of the world that we dont need God because we are getting smarter and smarter. Since the begining of time man has tried to be most powerful on a quest to become a "God". The Pharoahs of yesterday failed and the Pharoahs od today will also.

Sir Fred Hoyle who was labelled one of the greatest minds of the 20th century and was also the leader of the Atheist movement proved himself wrong. This guy was a Geniuse and had many theories of the universe and natural law, to the point where he would go out of his way to prove that God/Creator/Designer does not exsist. One of his theories stated that the universe has alwasy exsited and had no begining therfor couldnt be created by a creator or "God". Ofcourse this has been proven wrong today by NASA who discovered the Universe is expanding therfor in the natural law of physics must have had a beginning and a point of creation which is "known as the Big Bang".

I was reading Sir Fred Hoyles book and what shocked me was that after his research of how the carbon atom is created in stars which we also have in our bodies, he stated that the probability of this happening by chance or in nature accidentally is 10 to the 10th to the power of 127. Meaning if you had a paper which spread out across the entire universse it would not be big enough to write that number down. And that it was sufficient proof for him (the leader of the atheist movement at the time + Geniuse) to acknowledge indeed their is a Designer and a Creator of Life and he denouced being an Athiest before his death in the 1980's.

He also studied the protien atom and concluded that the chances of it appearing in nature coincidentally is the same probability of a tornado ripping across a junk yard and putting together a perfectly running Boeing 747 Jet from the materials in the junk yard. He said, from his research which he cant deny he beleives and accepts that this universe has a creator, designer, God and that he would not bet his life that their is no God based on those numbers which are ridicolous to gamble on.

The prove of God is out their and the greatest minds (Newton) etc accepted in the exsistance of a supreme being. A supreme Being (designer/creator) means One God, which religion wise means, monotheism. The main monothestic religions in the world are the Jewish, Christianity (without the trinity) and Islam respectfully, which are all part of the same tree and have continued along through to Islam being the youngest of them.

The proof of the one true creator's exsistance is out their, all you have to do is research which religion is the right one that God wants us to follow in. Which ones are their to keep us away from the truth and to try to get humanity to go astray from the true word of God and which one has the answers to all your questions with straight forward and simple explanations without needing to beat around the bushes.

Their is no doubt that its Good against Evil on Earth and according to many different prophecies Evil will seem to triumph over Good and will make the Good look Evil and Bad, but in the end Good will always Win because God the all mighty is with the Good. And that if all his creations (Man,Demon/Jin,Angels) got together and joined forces and helped each other out they would not be able to put a scratch the size of a mustard seed on the Creators throne.

Cheers...and the Zed rules the roads lol :zlove:

 

Oh gee's, here we go again...

This thread is not another personal attack against race/religion - or to find out how the universe was created.
Lets not turn it into one guys. Thankyou!

 

I guess he was right. Mention the R word and all hell breaks loose

 

That was quite a wordy rebuttal.

As much as I didn't want to turn this into a debate it is near impossible for me to let it end on such a note.

I think I need to qualify a few points. Humans are not getting more intelligent, but our understanding of the universe and the natural world is increasing significantly. As such our earlier theo-mythical explanation about our creations is no longer needed to explain how we came to exist. We have an extraordinary amount of evidence that we can put together to tell us how the universe began and how humans came to exist.
As for not needing god in today's society, humans created God(s) for a reason, many people require having faith that someone/something is in control of their world even when they are not. That physiological need has not changed much in the past 60, 000 years.
We can see the evolution of theology in that time.

While the belief is a deity may be a requirement for some, it should be remembered that it is a faith and not an explanation for the universe.

I would also like to note that the scientific community in generally does not try to prove or disprove the existence of God. The burden of proof in on the theologist to prove it, since they can not (and shouldn't have to if it is just a faith) it is not relevant to the science arena. If there was proof it would be included as science.

Any bets on what time this thread will be closed

 

thanks for that, titan ... but i am afraid, as you undoubtedly gather from

some of the above,dealing with the logic of lemmings is a lost cause .....

 

Their should be no need to close

Firstly their should be no need to close this thread as we are not young kids talking about how fat anyones mother is. Aslong as you debate in the best of ways while keeping formal language it should be perfectly good to debate about any topic including "Does God not exist" which is usually ignored.

Secondly, Titan i frown upon anyone who tries to seperate science and God. Please dont make it sound out to be "your either with the scientists and their theories about Humans and the universe or Gods theroies." Because i tell you the geniuse's those scientist looked up to such as Newton, Fred Hoyle (former atheist) all believed in the Creator/God's Existance.

God works through science not science proves no God. And please do not act as though you represent the scientific community, because most of the great scientists of the recent era through their works taught people that god does exsist and that if you were smart enough you wouldnt gamble your lifes on ridiculous probable numbers that this universe and humans came up by chance and wasnt designed or created by the One true Supreme being. And their is no superstition about it, these are hard core sceintific facts which have been proven in practice and theory by great minds or so called geniuses.

(I included one finding by Sir Fred Hoyle in my previouse post please read it again or buy his book, the man was a geniuse Athiest who proved himself wrong through science that their must be a Designer to this universe and that it didnt all happen by chance.)

Religion's such as Judism, Christianity, Islam were not only created to answer questions we did not know centuries ago. Yes they done this, with very simple logic but they also teach Men, morals, dignity, respect and the ideal way of life to lead as well as the purpose of life. They were passed down through remarkable man know as Prophets, Messiahs whos names still echo in men's hearts until Islam (the youngest and most recent of them) which compiles all of God's teachings into one book formed 1400 years ago which has remained unchanged and is the word of our Creator, not men.

One key rule many sceintists and scholars follow is that the simplest and most straight forward answer is usually the right and truthful one.

The creation is different to the Creator with over 97% of planet Earth beleiving in a Devine Creator, which itself is a testimant that their is somthing that draws the creation to its Creator. Call it the soul, spirit or whatever you will but whether you like it or not, it exists and always will because its their and true.

 

get that shit outa my face!

this was about the US government killing its own out of greed.. make a new thread if you gotta talk about gods, faeries or other such nonsense!

 

Seconded! - this shit is pathetic! :thumbsdown: VTD!!!

 

I think BlackBaz nailed it. I won't subject everyone to this.

 

different strokes for different folks...

p.s. your mums fat!!!

*runs away*

will........

 

thirded .. and simply regurgitation of past nonsense .. TITAN, the

lemmings are loose ...!!!!:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: