Compliance in WA

Discussion in 'Technical' started by lysergic, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. lysergic

    lysergic PWRTRIP

    Did a search on the forums. Rang Precise suspensions and auto and was quoted $2400 including tyres to comply the 2+2 zed, or $2000 without tyres. What a rip off.

    Called Interpower (as mentioned by DUB in an old post) and they don't do compliance anymore.

    Called Phil's Mechanical (down the road from Interpower) and was quoted $1070 (not including tyres). That's more like it.


    How the hell can there be so much difference between workshops?
     
  2. ZXxx

    ZXxx Getting Stiggy wid it!

    My mate was shopping for exhausts yesterday and....

    and was quoted around $300 at most places, then suddenly one place quoted $1200 for exactly the same thing.

    It's a scary world out there, all you can do is shop around and keep your finger's crossed.

    Paul
     
  3. FranZ

    FranZ franzonline.net

    You get what you pay for. Nuff said.
     
  4. SpaceZ

    SpaceZ New Member

    For $300 I would stay away, consider the following points; >>

    To comply with ADR these items need to be completed;
    * Side intrusion Bars need to be fitted
    * Seat belts must be replaced (albeit with inferior units)
    * Drivers side wing mirror has to be replaced (non fisheye type)
    * In the case of a 2+2 child restraints must be fitted
    * Tyres must be replaced with new ones
    * radio modulator must be fitted, as the Jap frequencies are 10 kc's (kilo cycles or hertz if you prefer)out .. not sure if this is a compliance item:unsure:

    These are just the main items, if you figure that some dude is going to do this for 300 bucks ... well you're just plain dreaming or loco :rolleyes:
    I would suggest that you would expect to pay at least $1200 for a halfway decent job. Go to a reputable compliancer (is that a word) and pay the dollars else you'll find yourself in the manure later

    Intrusion bars alone involve removing the door trim and associated components, then fitment of each bar (both sides) and of course there's the manufacturing cost of the bars .....do the math ... hope that helps :D
     
  5. lysergic

    lysergic PWRTRIP

    Zxxx was not saying compliance for $300

    He was giving an example of where one place can charge loads more than another for the same thing and was referring to exhaust systems not compliance.

    Franz - I'm not sure which post you're responding to but i don't see how this statement could really have much relevance when referring to the work that gets done with compliance. It's not like you're getting some kind of specialist engine work done. And the place that quoted me the CHEAPER amount is a registered RAWS workshop, so compliance is one of the main things he does. There is no way in the world i would pay $2000 to comply a 15y/o car
     
  6. Risk

    Risk New Member

    have you gotten any written quotes/details?

    its all well and good to say $2000 is too much.... but what are you getting for $1070? for $1070 you might only get the basic stuff done to have the car complied.... doesnt mean you'll get over the pits...

    if it was me, id compare apples for apples and not look at the bottom line which is the cost.... get written break downs of what each mechanic is doing and pick the best price.... makes sense doesnt it? if you wanna do everything on the cheap and only do the bear minimum work to your zed... you have picked the wrong car to buy...



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  7. FranZ

    FranZ franzonline.net

    I was replying to you not Zxxx.

    Ok... heres a breakdown of compliancing - get it done right first time - it generally costs more, but everything gets covered and the car gets complied FIRST time.

    Go the cheaper option, and generally, you'll be taking it to the licensing centre more than once and you'll be going back to the compliancers trying to get engineering certificates and stuffed replaced costing more $$$.


    Its up to you what you do. Just be warned then when you try and take the cheap option with a zed, it'll cost you more in the long run. I learnt this lesson a long time ago.
     
  8. Risk

    Risk New Member

    im sorry, but im gonna have to say it... people really need to start using

    there heads more....

    forget that its precise and i know dave fairly well.... it goes for all posts in regards to companies... get quotes, compare them and get the job done properly - its basic stuff really... now when someone searches the forum for a mechanic or compliancing they will get your post pretty much saying precise is a rip off.... thats not on... if both businesses have quoted the exact same work - i agree, $1000 is a big difference.... but i suspect you have just asked how much compliance is on a 300zx.... different workshops have different opinions on what they will do before handing the car back.

    anyways.... the point of this post is - THINK before posting anything that can be damaging to someones business, when you have less than all the facts... remember, referrals are a big part of a mechanics business and its how they make there living.


    ::Risk::
     
  9. blatz@home

    blatz@home New Member

    Some compliancing info 4 Lysergic

    Speak to Kevin Hart of Melville auto imports. He mainly does imports zeds these days and outsources compliancing. I was speaking to him just yesterday regarding compliancing of vehicles. He rang a guy named Phil (Phil's Mechanical??????)and got me the info I was after. Kevin will be able to give you the breakdown of what you're going to get for 1000 or 2000 bucks or at the very least point you in the right direction. He's an alright bloke, give him a call
    on 0418 943 280
    or telephone 08 9330 8377.
    From what I heard from two independant import people they take everything back to standard, remove aftermarket rims, stereo, boost controllers, guages aftermarket intercoolers etc, comply it, rego it then put everything back on.....but that's not gospel. My advice mate (jumping on Risk's bandwagon), ring Kevin and ask him, then weigh up the pros and cons.
    BlatZ
     
  10. Planet Z

    Planet Z Member

    Try AB Auto's aswell!

    I had my Zed complied a couple of months ago at A&B Auto's who are located in Bayswater!

    It cost me $1009.80 and that included an engineers report for a 2+2 TT.

    I had to get new tyres as well but you are better shopping around for these yourself!

    Past the pits without any hassels!

    Cheers
     
  11. lysergic

    lysergic PWRTRIP

    Phil told me while speaking with him..

    what needs to be done to get it complied. This is all the basic stuff like fuel filler restrictor, intrusion bars, child restraint points, new seat belts blah blah.. not including additionals like new brake pads or what ever else may need replacing to pass the pits. These are things i wan't to buy seperatley anyway, i just want the car registered so getting the basics is all i require. Being stingy on costs really doesn't apply here.

    I've been talking to Blipman about this aswell and considering the amount of experience he has with importing i tend to take his advice when he says $2000 is a scam.

    By the way i'm not bagging Precise at all, i actually intend on taking my car there for mechanical work after the amount of praise i have heard about them on the forum.
     
  12. Risk

    Risk New Member

    i seriously hope Ben didnt say that!

    what details did you get off precise when you called for a "quote"? what did they allow for? what work would they be doing?

    im finding it hard to see how you can say "ripoff" and "scam" when all you have done is ring around a few places.... i also find it hard to see how Ben can say its a "scam" when its clear that you havent got a proper quote.



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  13. lysergic

    lysergic PWRTRIP

    Not in those words

    But he did say that it was expensive and that i should be calling around. As far as i gathered, complying a 15 y/o zed doesn't differ from workshop to workshop, it's either complied or not. :thumbsup:
     
  14. Risk

    Risk New Member

    i beg to differ

    yes, for compliance to be completed they need to do certain things, BUT some workshop include a service, some include new brake pads, fluids etc... and then there is tyres as well (which you have asked not to have fitted)... thats why i suggested you get proper quotes rather than just calling workshops and asking how much to comply a 300zx...



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  15. Blipman

    Blipman Beer hooves totally work

    "Scam" is such a harsh word :)

    I didn't use that word, I simply told lysergic that for compliance $2,000 is very expensive (it is!) and that he should call around for a better price, which he did. It's my job to help out clients and save them money or advise if they are paying too much for compliance, which I did.

    Compliance is the process of making a car meet ADR's, it is completely seperate to a car being roadworthy (e.g. a car might have ADR compliant brakes, but they are worn and not roadworthy). Compliance involves an engineer signing off car stating it has been modified to meet ADR's... it has nothing to do with servicing or making a car pass the pits, if Kurt asked for a price on compliance then that's what you would assume Precise would have quoted, not with extras tacked on. Passing the pits is a roadworthy issue, as long as it has the compliance plate in it all compliance issues are NOT the concern of the guys checking the car out. They can't question the compliance work if an engineer has signed off, so shop A's or shop B's compliance having a better chance of making it over the pits is a non issue. As long as the car has a plate there is no quality issue as far as registration is concerned, it either is complied or it is not.

    I don't know Precise or have any opinion on them, their price is simply uncompetitive (it happens) if that's for compliance alone, and if it isn't then why did they quote something which wasn't asked of them?

    Ben
     
  16. Risk

    Risk New Member

    i understand the compliance process etc... was just stating that SOME

    not all workshop in perth.... consider service, pads etc as a part of compliancing a car.... i think we have seen from a couple of threads recently from new zed owners in perth, just how quick they are to openly complain about work/prices when they themselves are also at fault... i can see why companies such as precise might consider getting the car road worthy as a part of there compliance cost... if they didnt im sure if some of the people out here didnt make it over the pits first go they would be screaming and shouting about how they wasted $1000 on compliancing to not get the car licensed... if i was getting a heap of phone calls a day, id do the same... and say it costs X price to get the car done, then its in and out no problems....

    also, as a suggestion.... why dont you contact some workshops in each state and get prices on compliance for the main vehicles you sell? wouldnt that be easier than having people contacting you to get your opinion on prices? might save you some time....


    ::Risk::
     
  17. lysergic

    lysergic PWRTRIP

    From memory

    Ben was telling me that hes currently got a list for every state except WA so this should change shortly :)
     
  18. Ollie_J

    Ollie_J Member

    Precise did a fair bit more then ADR stuff to get over pits

    Pity that so far its gotta go back for 3 things to be fixed.

    Seat belts, $550 later and one has never worked, one jams all the time - not to mention the state they left the interior

    Power steering leaking all over the place again, cost several hundred $$.

    Plate was missed for compliance.

    Having xspeed go all over the work from precise now when they do my rear main seal, just for piece of mind.
     
  19. Z-Force

    Z-Force SHIFT_Charizma

    RE: AB Auto's

    How did you find their service Planit Z?

    Any problems at all? How was their work and time frame etc?

    Seems to be rather difficult to find a decent place in Perth to get compliancing done from what I've read. If I've read that someone here has had a good experience with a particular place then I'll go with them also. Might be an idea for others to jump on the same bandwagon...and if they work on several Zeds, they will at least know what they are doing and would be less likely to bodge something up...

    Which pits did you take the car over by the way?

    Thanks. :)
     
  20. Planet Z

    Planet Z Member

    RE A&B AUTO

    A&B were good and are usually really busy.
    I dealt with Allan who runs the place and said I needed it done urgently and it seemed to work out okay!

    I gave them about 4 days notice that the car was comming down (I ran around during this time getting alarms fitted and window tint stripped etc..) and they had it for 2 days.

    They do a lot of zeds, there were 3 others their at the same time as mine including "sans" (see pictures in ANOTHER NEW CAR THREAD.)

    I took the car to the East Perth pits and a guy called Ray inspected it. I had to change the tyres cos I didn't realise that they did not meet DOT standards :thumbsdown: but I had no problems after that. They did a full inspection even though the tryes were no good and gave me the report. In fact the car was a bit low and they jacked it up to take out the "spring sag" to give it a few mils extra clearance. :thumbsup: I got new tyres fitted 235/35/18's front and 265/40/18's rear and sailed over the pits no problems at all the next morning!;)
    I must admit that I'm not young though :LOL: and this may be a factor! So if you expect problems and your a young guy :p get your Dad or someone (mature) to take it over as they tend to get less grief!

    Cheers Tim
     

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