There are two distinct ways a car can be valued. 1: Is what the market will pay 2: Is what the owner actually WANTS! And not necessarily in that order. If your in no hurry to sell then you can hold out indefinitely and eventually it will go. Sadly, people DO "judge a book by its cover" and the absolute vast majority of punters will choose an apparently nice looking car over the technically better, but sadder looking jobbie. poke some paint on the parts or better still grab an old hatch for bugger all and a stock front bar and swap the bits over to keep you going while ur other stuff is being tarted up. THEN you have some spares to flog with the car!!!!!!!! The performance potential of the car is almost immaterial and is to be ignored. So what if it passes a 1/4 in a poofteenth quicker than the next. Means nothing to me. In my mind, that speaks more about your drag racing/driving technique than anything else in a 200K + atmo car. So many turkeys seem to believe that 1/4 mile times comes from outright powah alone..... Bollocks! If you want to use performance as a criteria, lets see a dyno sheet against a few other atmo Zeds and it better show something real special........ nope, i didnt think so and you could be bullshitting me all the way home with claiming a single fast pass. Timeslip please? Oh what?? Only one pass that was any good???....get my drift??? Might have beena "One Off"! That mystical thing EVERY racer of all persuasions aspires to, the "perfect lap/pass" et-al. Perhaps every other pass was 15 seconds plus!!!!!!!! mebbe not but its no real selling point with an average performance jap sports car....sorry, way it is. Next, any car with modifications of ANY kind is never-EVER worth the sum of its parts. STOCK, and box stock is where the money is. If you told me you had just spent 25 large on the engine, id still only offer you much the same. See, if you spent all that spondulah on the best of everything then dont try and hand me that you drove it like a granny......... Unload that much gold into your engine and its almost a given your going to wring its freakin neck at every opportunity if nothing more than bragging rights!!! I see NO issue whatsoever in converting your car to a TT. You need an engine, some pipes and intercoolers, an ecu and a radiator along with a tough clutch and thats about it! yeeharrr! Pchtsssssst! It will be a cool project, but of course you will need a shite'er to get around in while your fettle your toy. So buy an old mazderati 323 or an old Laser for 800 bucks and then unload that to some poor uni kid for the same amount 8 months later...FTW! FWIW, with the bar and the hatch tarted up mebbe 5&1/2. Just me tho. Cheers E
You have got it advertised somewhere other than here & sau yeah? Because pretty much all of us have zeds & pretty much all of them have/want skylines.
Now i know performance isn't a selling point and i'm going to stray off the original topic for a second here, but you can't honestly think a dyno sheet is worth more then a timeslip??......i could go slip a dyno operator a $50 and it'll magically make 190rwkw, then add into the fact that all dyno's will read differently, the 1/4 doesn't lie. As for the timeslip quote, i've backed that time up 7 times, so its not a "one off" and i'm a P plater so my driving isn't anything special. Fair call on the price though, got a better offer then that today so we'll see if it goes or stays. I'm hoping work picks up within the next week or so, if it does the NA stays and a TT will be sitting next to it before i finish my P plates I still have the DE+TT thought in the back of my head but knowing me i'll get greedy and want more and more power. Boostlosing aswell, suprisingly i haven't gotten the "VL diff+fishtank" trade yet. I still haven't tried carsales or autotrader, might do that this weekend.
Ahhh-ha! So you have floggerd its arse off plenty times eh??!!!!!! Hehehe, just making a point. NEVER say that the pass wasto do with "only" being a P plater M8. You obviously have a good feel for the car. Im guessing you can wring similar times out of a whole shitload of NA's........get what im on about? Id be loosing the reference to the times is all. L8r E
Sorry if i sounded like a dick at all your post confused me Yeh i put up a new add elsewhere and only put up servicing history etc but in all honesty, the car, even though it has been "flogged" as you put it runs like a dream and i've never had a problem with that engine. A lot of zeds get flogged and personally if a car can't take a little bit of abuse every now and then without having some major problem then it really is a P.o.s. Right now though i'm having trouble mentally letting it go, i've been through so much with it that i'm not sure i can replace it with another zed.....stupid i know but i've driven quite a few zeds and they just don't "feel" the same to me if you know what i mean. Sorry, its my first car and i'm, having trouble letting go
I have no doubt that your timeslips are genuine Mate. Drawing your comparison between Timeslips and Dyno runs is absolutely without merit. It bothers me that you can suggest that someone would falsify a Dyno Sheet for a couple of bucks. Not because of the possibility of such a thing happening, but rather, because you seem to think that such a result would somehow make that car worth more money in a sale situation. You don't appear to understand the point Tassuperkart is making, Dyno Sheets and/or Timeslips mean SFA to most car buyers and so ARE NOT a selling point. If anything, they may very well be the exact opposite(they could make a potential buyer a bit wary of just how much the car has been mistreated). P.S. If you're having second thoughts about selling, maybe you should rethink your plans for another car and just stick with this one until you are certain of what you really want to do.
No i don't, mind pointing out where i wrote that? read my post above and you'll see i get the point he's putting forward and even offered an apology to him.
This: I'm not trying to give you a hard time Nem, but there is NOTHING in that post that mentions anything about why your car is worth buying(not one reference to it's selling points)your focus seems to be on proving it's worth based on timeslips(and going to some length to discount your driving skills as being nothing special). If I can interpret that from what you have posted, what message do you think you are giving to a potential buyer? :zlove:
First statement i even wrote beforehand that i was straying from the topic and that was me debating timeslips vs 1/4m times which is another topic altogether, the second statement is in reply to him saying "lets see dyno sheets compared to other NA's" and "its probably a one off lucky run" not really me saying i would do that or that i think it makes the car worth more. As for me including timeslips into my for sale thread, fair amount of P platers want something that's quick and more then once i've heard the whole "what mods can i do to make my NA go fast" story, so i thought it might be something worth including but all of you have swayed me in a different direction.
He's trying to be modest... I know how you feel Nem, could never let go of my Z, no matter how much of a money pit it becomes. I'd rather be piss broke for 6 months and have my N/A converted to TT as opposed to buying a ready done TT. Good luck with your plans mate.
Nem(?), I'm guessing you're still young, unlike some of us wrinkley old fuds, so know this; you've got a ****load of time to get the beast you're obviously going to build someday. If I had my time again, and I had what was potentially the fastest N/A in Aus(given a bit more effort) I'd be keeping it and working it over as just that and taking the glory. It don't matter squat that you're in the market for a TT, as you'll have to put so much bloody cash/work into the mongrel to be competitive against what's out their in current turbo land. If it were mine I'd be tempted to create something that's never been from something fairly close to the mark already, these chances don't come often.
Mate, I have been a "car racing nut" since before I was old enough to drive(or ride a push bike). I love driving(and I love driving fast)but I have never bought a car on the basis of "How fast can it go?". I buy a car based largely on "How it makes me feel", "How it looks" and "How it handles". If it "ticks" all those boxes(and, if it happens to be pretty quick as well)then it's mine. I guess what I'm saying is SPEED doesn't come into the equation(but it's a definite plus). There are a lot of potential buyers out there that think similarly to me in this regard(and they can be scared off by matters related to "flogging the car")particularly if they suspect it may need expensive repairs sometime soon.
You have to sell your car dude! Sell being word! I look through the list of things and really the only things I see of value are a new clutch and a mostly catback exhaust. The bad I see a faded paintjob and a cringeworthy interior. For me, looking objectively, I wouldnt say it is strong mechanically, I would say its a risk. It's only a matter of time before the 20yr old eng/box needs mech work from the flogging it's gotten in racing. Ive been bitten hard by one just like your selling. I view security in mechanical rebuilds after they have been proven. I view it as a financial risk. I think you have a choice of keeping it or giving it away for 4k.
Its a tuff market mate . Personally its not overpriced . I guess people that know they want to spend money on their next purchase want to buy the base for as little as possible . No point in thinking the paint is ok and pay extra when deep down your only gonna respray anyway . No point in thinking the interior is ok when you gonna pay to get it retrimmed anyway etc etc . Good luck mate .
I just sold my 1990 NA 5spd for $7500. 200K km... Its just a waiting game, if you want more you have to wait longer for the right person to come. My paint wasnt perfect, only mods were wheels, coils, exhaust, soundsystem. Remember the NA will be sought after by P platers. Half the time an NA version of a car that is normally turbo'd will sell for more than a stock turbo one, simply cause of all the p plater hoons after them. More demand + low supply = higher price
problem you find is atm and for a while it is low demand + high supply = the zed world IMO you will only get some one paying what a zed is worth if they know what they are looking for and they know the work thats been done.... (IE a forum member) but also IMO if some one know whos about zeds inspects this car, they wont even make an offer :/ thats just my opinion..... I know i wouldnt.
