Removing helper springs = moar low?

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Anti, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    max low'd my HA's the other day, still keen to get a bit lower at the back. got helper springs all 'roound. if I remove them will it effect the ride height?

    -A
     
  2. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    be lower by ... the compressed thickness of the helper springs

    if you want to run your car lower you should have bought coilovers with perch height adjustment as well
     
  3. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    thanks! there's a good 2cm plus there, and I wasn't keen on going much lower than that.
     
  4. Vodkashots

    Vodkashots New Member

    The helper springs help the main springs stay in place through the full height adjustment range of the coilover. In other words, you cannot drop the car as much without the helper spring because that is what takes up the slack once the main spring is at full extension. You can run the main springs only if you setup the coilovers so that there is no slack in the main spring at full extension.
     
  5. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    is this really a problem? the only time the shock would be fully extended is when the car's jacked up.
     
  6. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    Or going fast over rises.

    I'll have the helper springs if you are ditching them :)
     
  7. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    Is that really likely? What issues will I have with no helper springs?
     
  8. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    If it does happen you'll hear a little knock on the way down where the coil relocates itself back into position
     
  9. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    I have no helper springs in atm without issue, but on the lookout for some cheap ones in the hope it improves my harsh ride slightly
     
  10. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Ha depends do you want it to look fulli sik or go quick through corners?
     
  11. Big_al_TT92ZX

    Big_al_TT92ZX Tempted to own another Z

    Yep. These helper springs are there to keep the spring 'captive' in it's location. I spoke to some King Spring techie about them on the phone some time back when I was talking spring rates to them. You probably don't want it to become non-captive I imagine.
     
  12. lidz

    lidz Well-Known Member

    It wont. When your driving around the helper springs will be fully compressed anyway, they only expand when weight is taken off that coilover to help keep some load on the spring & keep it located on the spring seat.

    If you need to improve your ride you need to go softer spring rates. Alternatively mikez32 found his ride improved a little with his monoflex when he ditched the whiteline swaybars & went back to stock.
     
  13. zedboy

    zedboy Active Member

    I need helper springs in my rear coils to stop the chatter, where did you get yours from?
    I buy!

     
  14. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    But I like my swaybars :(
     
  15. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Are you using white line end links as well Mike?
     
  16. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    Nope, stock links, JIC coilovers, solid subframe collars, RUCA's, FUCA's and tension rods.

    Would use a stupid brace also, but it doesn't fit (as we all know).
     
  17. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    if your spring rates are 8/6 or more go back to stock sway bars ..

    You might be surprised ..better ride and handling

    bigger sway bars are used with lower spring rates to help with bodyroll ..not needed with stiffer springs
     
  18. AndyMac

    AndyMac Better than you

    Actually, on cars lowered using the spring perch, the spring will generally become unseated on every rapid change of direction. If you take your helper spring out and you've got the spring perch wound down to nothing, there is going to be a lot of free air between the spring and the top.

    Issue wise, well after you off-load that corner while changing direction, as it reloads your floating on shocks alone until the spring re-seats, so not very progressive handling there. Yeah the helper springs aren't that stiff, but its still something. Next your springs themselves are just going to cop a pounding bouncing around catching on things, twanging away. Not cool.
     
  19. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    ...so it looks like it wouldn't be a wise idea to be rid of these springs! I want to go lower, but not at the cost of handling.
     
  20. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Move your pivot points like Black Beast :p
     

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