Clutches

Discussion in 'Technical' started by larlok, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. larlok

    larlok Member

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    hey im curious as to what clutches you high HP zedders are running?

    Joe
     
  2. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

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    Jim Berry single plate with OEM flywheel
     
  3. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

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    Z1 twinplate .....(No flywheel problems ^^):p

    actual brand is "competition clutch" rated 700ft/lb torque (conservatively)

    only 22.65 lbs for flywheel and clutch

    there is an extreme hat and disc which holds more 820ft/lb

    Basically the higher clamping force single pressure plates not only use more force to clamp the clutch disc to the flywheel but also put more force on the crank / thrust bearing when disengaging the clutch. The more force applied to the thrust bearing the more wear. Once it wears past a certain point the crank will move back and forth inside the engine eventually destroying everything.


    Z1 clutch does not use as high of clampiing force because of the design which is the benefit to using multi disc clutches not to mention the reduction in weight and lowered rotational inertia because of the smaller diameter of the entire assembly.


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    kakaboy New Member

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    I think getting the clutch properly adjusted also is critical . I noticed on mine it slipped at the top end of boost before I adjusted clutch . Still not 100% I think it may need another bleed .
     
  6. badxtc

    badxtc kirby's bitch

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    i think your clutch has gone , you need a new one .
     
  7. zedboy

    zedboy Active Member

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    Hey Rob

    Does this apply to most single plate clutches? At the moment I'm running an Exedy HD 5 Puk button clutch quite happy with it - relatively easy to drive.

    Is there an actual ft/lb amount where it is to high e.g 750+? Not sure what mine is hoping it isn't something that could possibly cause a problem down the track.

    Matt.

     
  8. kakaboy

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    It is a new one :p
     
  9. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

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    Can't give you a rating as to what clamping force on a single becomes a potential Problem but one like rob260's when trying to hold big power and flexing flywheels means time for a twin plate.
     
  10. rom-vg30dett

    rom-vg30dett Always Broke

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    I use the same clutch.
     
  11. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

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    I've read this on Z1 website, it was coupled with an ad for their twin plate.

    Any examples of this actually happening? Where it can be shown that premature wear on the thrust bearing had occurred?

    And they must be suggesting the thrust bearing wears on the front or the rear if we're suggesting it leads to crack shaft play... I have a hard time seeing how this could occur prior to other serviceable parts wearing.
     
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  12. rob260

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    No thanks it means time for decent flywheel. Problem solved and beautiful to drive. Pedal feel would be lighter with a twin plate but engagement would be much harsher. Ill happily trade a heavy pedal for being able to take off smoothly and quietly.

    If I was to go twin plate it works be exedy D series with damper or get NPC to build something similar. Give the driveline some relief.
     
  13. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

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    When you feel my engagement you'll change your mind .So streetable..And You can't even here the rattle.

    Try before you knock it ;)
     
  14. rob260

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    Likewise sir ;)

    I'll happily let you take it for a spin, compare first hand
     
  15. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

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    No prob
     
  16. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

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    Sounds dangerous already haha
     
  17. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

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    I'll drive it like my own :p
     
  18. larlok

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    the reason i ask is that im in the middle of my build and to balance the bottom end they want the flywheel and pressure plate, price is a major factor at this point in time im looking for 400 - 500Hp at the wheels so i dont want over kill nor do i want a crap engagement.
     
  19. rob260

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    Well F1 stage 3 are pretty popular and you're not making hugh hps so should do it.

    Cheap too
     
  20. larlok

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    oh and i was gonna keep stock flywheel,
    but what has happened to yours rob?
     

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