i can see why the young guys have taken over this forum. the older guys have died, pity they have alot to offer the forum. maybe we should have a geriatric forum. i have not been on this forum long, but what i can ascertain as an older guy the amount of members on this forum the older members cant be bothered any more at least in victoria. i can see why post whores exist on this forum if it was not for them the forum would be very sparse. it seems to be the same guys that have there say most of the time. simon seems to be the most accused but at least he gets involved even if you agree with him or not., just look how many vic contribute to the forum not many. many of the administrators dont say much they just over see the forum, maybe they should take a bigger role instead of individuals organizing ad hock events. this can lead to clicky groups forming as new members may feel they may not fit in to the zx scene. if there where functions organised at least 5 to 6 times a year by those that represent the forum officially this would make new members feel that it is a function sanctioned by the association as a whole .what happens when there are no more 300zx cars anymore or very few the forum dies. so its the members that are the strength of any organization in the future it maybe the 350zx association who knows the rsl had to change if the relied on world war 1 and 2 veterens they would have died by now. this maybe a view that not many will agree with but thats my opinion as i see it. if administrators have a go at me or older members thats ok. at least they have had a passionate shot at me, but i dont think they will they wont even read this they are in bed by now. bigmax a shit stirrer maybe maybe not. or a crusader for change. no possibly not, maybe im to old to care, lets stick to the status quo what your thoughts. regards bigmax. :bash: :banned: :zlove:
this isn't a car club, there are no organised events - and I don't think the mods can 'make' the older members post more...
hyper101 good you have an opinion, thats a start from an administrator thats great. now correct the garbage that i speak, educate me hyper 101. regards bigmax :biggrin:
How bout you start off by letting us (everyone) know what your expectations were when you joined the forum and what you perceive the role of the Admins/ Moderators of the forum to be. We can take it from there.
LOL Unlike the young members here ... my experience and mechanical savvy mean I'm out driving one of my cars having fun ... not lurking here wondering how to fix the latest problem On a serious note tho it does get a bit tiresome seeing each new Z owner log on and ask the same old questions ... these cars have been around for 17 years and the net is full of how to's and tech sites. Maybe some of the younger members need to learn what a "search" button is for eh Right this old fart starts a new job tomorrow so I'm out of here
bigmax I joined the forum seven years ago, and have been actively involved in the forum in that time. In that time, I have also made friends with a good core group of zedders. These were the same zedders that I met seven years ago. As with everything, times change. Its not such a bad thing that some of the younger crew now take the reigns and organise some events. If you had been on the forum longer, you would have heard of or attended the annual jedi tech days... or the wykked tech days... or the BigCol GOR cruise... or some other annual event...... Unfortuneatly, as much as the "older" crew still love their zeds, they also have added responsibilities that some of the younger guys may not yet appreciate.... I for one got married just over a year ago, and between marriage plans, house planning, finishing my Phd and now working on the house most weekends, unfortuneatly my presence on the forum has dwindled a little.... I'm always here reading the forum, but I just dont post as much anymore due to other priorites.... Also, the forum is a different place these days. This is nothing personal to anyone, as everyone I have met is a top zedder, but there is so much crap posted on the forum these days that the days of carefully reading each post are over for me. I can usually read all my unread posts in about 5 minutes, just by skimming through all the bullshit..... as such, this has also reduced the amount of time that I am actually on the forum and actively post.... These are just some reasons why some of the older guys arent around as much anymore..... you'll also find that the young guys you speak of will quite often organise cruises, but they are mostly always at night...... frankly, I have no interest in night cruises and nor do many of the "older" zeds..... so you wont see any of us there...... but of course, there is no reason why you cant attend.... Also, there are many zed / car events organised through out the year, that are associated with the nissan club (NDSOC)..... many of the "older" members are also members of this club, and actively attend these proper race meets and compete. You are more welcome to attend these as well.... Just keep an eye out in the events section, and as with everything, if you feel that not enough events are organised, then plan one yourself.... Us older members have all done it in the past, and so have many of the new younger guys... there's no reason why more cant do it.... Cheers
Your always floating around in that tinny Rob Better ad Rob to my list of fantastic cruise/event organisers
I don't know what forum you are reading bigmax (shit stirrer) But please separate the text into paragraphs so it is readable. But, you are sorta right. as with any forum there are lots of bull$#!^^@&$. You just have to ignore them rather than encourage by replying. Here in Sydney, I've found that very few young ones actually show up for the cruises. We oldies still have a great time though
Position perfectly expressed, and not one word of bulls##t.:zlove: Many older Sydney zedders have dropped off attending outings because of changing circumstances and/or a lack of desire for cruising through shopping centres at night. Same goes for Drag Racing, it excites some, and leaves other cold and disinterested. There's room for all tastes, but too much of any one thing will be sure to get boring sooner or later. The Zed is the glue that binds us all together, but it's the genuine friendships that develop, that will keep us coming back time after time.:biggrin::zlove::zlove:
100% there to back you up Jeds. I also have been on here for around 7 years, and the forum has certainly changed in that time. I remember well the days when there were about 20 posts in total for the day. But the difference was they were 20 posts of absolute quality and it took me hours to read & learn about. There was no rubbish whatsoever. We had events that if there were 10 cars attend was a roaring success. Then gradually as zeds became more affordable and the forum became more well known newer members dropped in. This 'middle age' of the forum was a great period in the forum's history (and personally my favourite). A bit more of the personal stuff crept in, but was still 90% car related & focused. Some of the older members started to get a bit jaded with all the same questions being asked, but still managed to respond. Then the prices of zeds dropped to current levels and they were suddenly available to younger members. This brought along the same 20 questions some of us had seen literally 1000 times before another couple of thousand times. It gets tiring and before long you just don't bother. Bear this in mind before judging the older members. It staggers me that a new member (of any age) would come on here and in their first couple of posts ask what we know as the same old 20 questions. From where I stand it smacks of people who are so lazy that they can't be bothered searching for the answer as they want it delivered on a plate, or they genuinely think they are so clever and self-important that nobody would ever have asked this question before. This is not to say the younger crowd are rubbish. They certainly aren't, and seem like nice likable lads and ladies in person, but in some cases they just want different things. Some of the crap that gets posted up these days is beyond belief sometimes, and like Jedi I can catch up most days in less than 10 minutes. On some of the cruises we've been on some newer members have openly stated to me that they are bored with coastal scenery or say it's too far from Melbourne and turn back about a third of the way through the cruise, or the cruise started too early and couldn't be bothered, or the cruise was going to be too long and couldn't be bothered, or only had 1 tank of fuel to last a week and couldn't attend / had to turn back. Fine, got no problem with that. Don't attend, or make your own cruise, post it up and make an event to give everyone the opportunity to attend. But don't create your own cliques then bitch and moan about members from the other generation not attending. I've got no problem with the cliques either, but don't bitch about the other group. Also as a last point, if you say you are going on a cruise, make damn sure you attend, and attend on time. Don't blow it off because you got a better offer or couldn't get out of work when you have had weeks to organise your roster, or you were too hung over. It's all about priorites - surely one night at nightclubs could be missed if a zed cruise was on offer the next day given they are so infrequent. This site is all about helping people, but you will always find more people willing to help you if you have tried to help yourself first. Use search and ask informed questions. The lack of willingness to look for the answer really frustrates the older members. Don't just say "CBF searching, tell me the answer to ...". Likewise, don't respond if you do not have personal first hand experience. Anyone who responds to a thread with "I've heard product X is rubbish" should get belted around the ears. Either you know what you are talking about and can back it up in a discussion, or you are passing on someone elses opinion which is useless. This has single-handedly reduced the effectiveness of the search function. What you get sometimes is 15 pages of crap/opinion and 2 pages of sound technical advice from people who actually know. BigMax, I agree that there certainly is a divide between the generations at the moment in Vic. I understand that you enjoy putting yourself out there to get a healthy discussion going. But Jedi is right in that a lot of us older members are at a slightly different space than we were 7 years ago. We've had a gutful of people who won't help themselves, or who don't attend the cruises (or who turn up late making 20 members wait around) then whine about it, or turn up and drive like morons (don't need this crowd either - better to stay at home as we all know what the car can do, and besides real men do it on a track not the streets). The following has always been true: if you want an event, organise it yourself. Don't always wait for others to do the work for you. If new members post up cruises (particularly to areas we haven't attended before) then that can only be of benefit. Having said that, the details of the next GOR cruise (a BigCol & BADZX joint production!) will be up shortly. I urge all generations of zedders to attend and maybe we can join the frayed edges of what so far has been a wonderful forum. Attend, talk to people when there. Don't just stick to your known groups. Get involved. You might see why some of us older members have made friends for life regardless of the cars we drive.
name and shame? never really heard of this happening on a Vic cruise.. even when we have our "young people" cruises no one really does anything stupid i'm not sure why everyone thinks that when we have a cruise everyone should be invited? maybe the younger guys here don't want the older members coming to our cruises and complaining because MacGuyver is on in half an hour and the cruise finishes too late.. or its too dark and because of old age they can't see at night time? I don't know, you tell me? I personally haven't been on a cruise since GOR.. But I always thought that "the Australian 300zx Owners Association" was just that - I don't understand why people think its the "Happy 300zx friends drive together wicked car club" maybe I missed your point but I don't think I have, I know many of the 'young whining and always turning up late' victorian members will agree with me.
It was not my intention to accuse young members of also belonging to the 'whining' or 'turn up late' categories. Some occasional bad eggs through the forum's history have had the trifecta, but that does not say that the current members do. T'was not my point at all. Same goes for the other quote: There was no link between this statement and young members. In fact I can think of 2 members who have driven this way on vic cruises - 1 young and 1 older. My post was not designed to get up peoples noses. Just to answer some of the criticisms BigMax put forward with respect to the older members and their lack of passion. Our passion is fine! And after all, it is just my opinion (which is worth much less than $0.02!)
You clearly don't grasp the reality of what this forum is. BigCol and Jedi have made it as clear as crystal, that this forum has developed in to much more than an internet site. It has become a Car Owners Association/Club in almost every way except the need to pay a membership fee, and seek CAMS affiliation. If you and other younger members don't want older people at you outings, then hold them all at night in the nearest Macca's Carpark(or Krispy Kreame's) along with plenty of burnouts and Doof-Doof music, and we will stay away in droves. It really is that easy. Leave the rest of us to enjoy the great friendships and memories that we have valued for many years(after all, that is the thing that sees members driving miles at all hours, just to help rescue another zedder in distress). I'll have that any day, in preference to the alternate scene.:zlove::zlove:
I wont name and shame as its not appropriate, and thankfully some of the guilty are no longer on the forum.... but I have been on cruises where some of the members thought it was a race to the finish rather than a cruise.... but thankfully, this happened for a while.... but it only needs to happen once or a few time to sour future cruise organisations... Thats great to hear.... my problem with the night cruises or some of the vic cruises organised of late is the location and timing, rather than whos going. Driving through the city at night or in populated area's where the police are just waiting is not my idea of fun.... likewise, twisties can be fun, but i dont find it fun at night.... hehehhe, i think you'll find that the older members wont complain about that shit at all... they just wont attend the cruise, rather than putting out other members... you guys can enjoy your cruises without having to worry about us old farts.. In fact, I think you'll find that many of the older members hardly say a peep when the younger guys organise cruises... its only now when Bigmax accuses us of having no passion that I feel we need to explain our side of the story.... no one here is wrong, everyone just likes different things and thats fine... hmm, not sure what you mean here........ I know I didnt join the forum just to "drive wicked cars" together.... Cheers
I can say that I read 90% of the posts out here. I find this forum very interesting. I think this is a very healthy forum. After seeing some others, I believe this to be the best. Only rarely do I reply in posts. Looking around, there are a lot like me aswell. I think its a very strong forum with a lot to offer. I like seeing the tikering between some of these blokes aswell. Go Simon!
weres this all going? its one forum for all members. old or young everyone gets happier when they see more zeds on the cruise. i can say that iv never been on a "hero" cruise with the forum ever. there hasnt been any occation were someone has done anything heroic, bigmax iv never even seen u on a cruise and last summer we used to go cruising like 3 times a week . maybe its u who has lost the passion
