Voltage Stabiliser and Earthing Kit

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Eggs, Mar 8, 2015.

  1. Eggs

    Eggs Member

    Hey guys,

    When I bought my car it had this voltage stabiliser installed on the battery and an earthing kit attached to multiple points around the engine bay.

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    Does anyone use them? I don't see any reason why they need to go back on, but I'm all ears to what you think either way?

    Cheers
     
  2. SuperZ

    SuperZ Resident Z lunatic

    They help becuase copper is better than steel in conduction

    Multiple earth kit leads are not a bad thing and worth keeping as copper leads will transmit a voltage signal greater (better conductor) than a steel body giving a better earth throughout the vehicle (if the earth leads are setup correctly) - if you disconnect the earth kit lead closest to your headlights you will generally see them dim slightly as a result and this is also proof of their viability, as a general guide you should not have one of the earth kit leads closer than 1ft to your TPS/ CAS because they are overly sensitive and can sometimes have an adverse reaction to the closes earth lead.

    Voltage stabilisers can be good or bad depending on the quality of the unit - I am not familiar with the one you have though.
     
  3. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    Don't do jack shit, bin the lot.

    Jamie, the headlights don't earth at the front end.
     
  4. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Waste of time and money. Unnecessary clutter, too.
     
  5. Tektrader

    Tektrader Z32 Hoe, service me baby

    Put it in the box with the Peter Brocks Polarizer................. What a pile of garbage.
     
  6. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

  7. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member

    I tested one on my laser. it actually did something! By installing the kit it came with extra ground kits.

    I have a very big stereo in there. I noticed the headlights stopped dipping under big load.

    So does think kit work? Based on my own experience, i think so.
     
  8. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    Entirely car and upkeep dependent...
     
  9. SuperZ

    SuperZ Resident Z lunatic

    Point taken

    Very true Anti- I was thinking of a conventional car at the time - point taken.



    re: other responses - surprised so many think its not worthwhile or viable

    Copper is a superior conductor to a steel car body so don't understand why so many don't think it has any benefits over none (given that he already has it)

    just my thoughts anyway
     
  10. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    That's interesting -I wonder if you had a suspect ground somewhere to begin with?
     
  11. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

  12. SuperZ

    SuperZ Resident Z lunatic

    Where did the voodoo brocky polariser come into it?

    You cannot really compare a "peter brock polariser" quackery unit to a copper cable that allows less resistance than steel - one is voodoo and the other is a scientific fact. The two do not really compare


    Conductivity facts
    Copper 1.68×10−8 5.96×107 0.003862
    Carbon steel (1010) 1.43×10−7 6.99×106

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity

    Whether a better voltage from less resistance means the unit will work better depends on the actual unit / device being powered

    Whether the copper cable earth lead placed near the unit/ devices earth signal means there will be a better performance result, depends on the actual devices sensitivity, its resistance requirements and the electrical distance being travelled. Sure a nominal voltage of less than .1 V will have only a small effect on most non sensitive devices and is therefore argumentative (even though lower voltages are more sensitive to lower nominal voltages) but larger nominal voltages can yield better operation on any voltage - its just a conductive fact.

    As you would already know, real-time data tests can be conducted to confirm any viability of the application being used. Lower voltages are more critical than higher voltages - the fact that trucks use 24V+ to cover the extra distance (40ft+) is testament to this fact.

    In summation: it comes down to the actual resistance application being employed and the electrical data yields that are gained but this has very little, if anything to do with a "peter brock voodoo unit" that has no scientific data to back it up.

    Whether it is viable depends on the actual application employed in / the devices being powered/ the distances involved / the voltage applied and the materials being used - it's true viability can only then, be truly confirmed by an electrical resistance test in situation.

    Argumentative at best opinion - but scientific fact at worst case - yes I do agree though that it does depend on the factors involved in application as explained above



    E - Resistance
    R = V / I
    R = V2/ P
    R = P / I2

    E - Current
    I = V / R
    I = P / V
    I = (P / R)

    E - Potential
    V = R I
    V = P / I
    V = (P R)






    :zlove:
    Regards
    JC
     
  13. QLDZDR

    QLDZDR ID=David

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    Last edited: Mar 12, 2015
  14. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

    Jamie, the information on the Energy Polarizer was posted in reference to tektraders post, which I thought was interesting, perhaps other members are indifferent. ;)

    Did you notice the paragraph?

    'In October 1986, Holden wrote to Brock and Dowker proposing a series of tests at Lang-Lang.

    Brock and Dowker agreed, but after four days of tests the results showed the Polarizer made no difference. :confused:

    Brock replied that the equipment to measure the beneficial effects of the device had yet to be invented.' :rofl:

    As far as direct relativity to the Voltage Stabilizer.

    There is none! ;)

    Pretty much the same as the posts concerning the difference in conductivity between copper & carbon steel.
     
  15. OZX_320

    OZX_320 Detachable Member

    Your alternator regulator is all the voltage stabilisation you need.
    Yes, it's all well and good to quote Wikipedia for resistance characteristic differences, but have you taken into consideration material cross-sectional differences, temperature variation differences, contact surfaces? True, copper is a better conductor than steel, but, in a vehicle where your most noticeable and dependant stable voltage components (coilpacks and headlights) are relay fed 12v feeds, a "stabilizer" will do sfa except possibly offer a band-aid solution to a faulty earthing system. Replacing said relays with solid state units would be more beneficial.

    Pissed it all off, along with the "fuel electron aligning magnets" and "intake turbine wheels". Replace, or at the very least clean your battery terminals, check tension and surface cleanliness for all earthing points (plenum, block, gearbox, ECU)
     
  16. QLDZDR

    QLDZDR ID=David

    The voltage stabilizer would be easy to test if it improves the glow of your headlights. You might find that a new lighting harness with regulator is better. That means you have to spend some money, so if the car is working, just leave it there.


    Removing that electric supercharger would probably fix any voltage issues. LOL.
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  17. SuperZ

    SuperZ Resident Z lunatic


    Fair enough - I missed the tektrader post

    Your referring to the voltage stabiliser whereas I was actually referring to the earth grounding kit!
     
  18. OZX_320

    OZX_320 Detachable Member

    I'm referring to both. Complete waste of time if existing grounding system is up to standards. Chase the real issue/s if you find a grounding kit beneficial on a z32
     
  19. bigalracing

    bigalracing Member

  20. Fists

    Fists Well-Known Member

    When operating outside of OEM parameters there's no reason to assume the stock system should handle it though, big audio system or high demand on the ignition system may require a bit extra to avoid having voltage drops. The Z's system is probably pretty good but older cars can definitely benefit from extra earths when running higher power, extra earths on the Z just give you a buffer for dirty contacts or fatiugued earth straps.
     

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