i have atleast met 6 people in brisbane who claim, - "if your a racer u dont need no clutch" what the F! they rekon rest the gate and youl shift al the way home. why..........synchros might get sick of it lol is this the way street race is goin? i'd never do that. i thort he was nuts, then i raced a 0-100kmh, the z'd flogged assss. the skyline.....ate poooop, to much turbo wizzzz and no turbo punch lol
It can be done, I have done it. Just need to match engine speed with gearbox speed then slide it in. It is not good for the gearbox. With an aftermarket sequential gearbox, you do not need to use the clutch as much (V8 supercars have these, and some classes of rally cars too) People who think that they can shift a standard gearbox faster than using the clutch are either VERY GOOD DRIVERS or just plain stupid with no regard for their cars.
Not to mention that if he is "street racing", he won't need to worry about the clutch....he won't have a Drivers License long enough to need it.:W::zlove:
around 3.5k my engine speed matches my gearbox and the gears slide in, but ive only done it like 2 times for show haha.
LMAO ha ha :rolleyes2: these guys crack me up. You need to remind them if they are "flat shifting you don't take your foot off the throttle. just keep it buried in the floor, pull/push as hard as possible on the gear lever and when the engine bounces off the rev limiter it will pop right into the next gear. Fully sik. If they have that mastered, and they are realy shithot street racers they should start off in top gear and ride the clutch. Thats what top fuel drag cars do, and you don't have to worry about changing gears. Oh yeah and that nismo/HSV sticker is worth at least 50hp. :W:
As mentioned, you can shift without your clutch without grinding gears/causing damage but its not something you do while trying to go fast, you have to have the revs at the right amount then it will slide right in. Useful to know how to do if necessary, i had to do it when i split one of my clutch lines and ran out of clutch fluid, starting the car in gear doesn't feel nice though Saved me being late to work and having to pay to get towed though
Hehe no they're not knobs, I'm told the gearboxes were different back then (an old Truck Driver who used to do it in a Kenworth) he used to drive one.
Yeah, I was trying a cheap shot at MG drivers. While I applaud good driving, and always laugh at the boy racers, we should remember where gearboxes used to be... check out these old trucks some of which used to run without all the synchros etc that we have today... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ffkS37miQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mf6AUbjT-s
Crashbox, double de-clutching. Spot on. I learned to drive on ratty old farm equipment that was built in the 1950's and 60's if I was lucky. A crashbox is basically a manual gearbox with no synchro. Double de-clutching goes something like this - ( The clutches were mostly cable actuated, long heavy throws if they were worn. ) Rev out in first gear. Push the clutch in, shift to neutral, let the clutch fully out. Push the clutch back in, shift to 2nd gear, let the clutch out. Rev out in 2nd gear then go through the same rigamarole again. Changing up on level ground was the easy part. For changing down, if you wanted to use the gearbox for braking rather than use your fantastic drum brakes with no booster - From top gear push the clutch in, select neutral, let the clutch out. Now stab the throttle, push the clutch in, select a lower gear if you could, then let the clutch out. Repeat this down through the gears, or ride the brakes & pray a lot if you were in the hills. " stabbing the throttle " was not a science, it was a black art. Hence the term crashbox, you'd be crashing the gears together. Lovely sound. Once you got to know a vehicle you stopped using the clutch except for take offs & stops. End of history lesson.
The irony of this is that somewhere, many moons ago, some "would-be hoon" heard about this style of driving from some equally knowledgeable mate who also "heard" that racing drivers did this(probably due to their cars also having "crash boxes")and so a legend/myth was born. What an enormous waste of time and energy by those twits who invented synchro-mesh gearboxes(I can't wait for the revival of stone axes).
"Granny Shifting instead of double clutchin like ya should.... You ask any racer....any REAL racer...... it dont matter if you win by an inch or a mile.... WINNING IS WINNING!!!!"
Anyone who says that is a complete knobjockey. As for engine and box matching speed. This is true but it doesnt happen at the rev range that a racer would want to shift in. Double clutching is not needed either for REAL street racers cos it shaves MANY tenths off your time and for short street races time is VERY important. A lot of the serious "legal street" type racers in the US actually use certain types of autos that perform extremely well and state that "it is humanly impossible to shift as quick as these auto boxes do" shaving even more precious tenths off the times. I love hearing young kids say stuff like that. Then they are crying a few months later cos they dont have the money to fix their broken cars and the REAL drivers are havin' a laugh at them.
