NEW TwinZ Design P-Spec I front fascia

Discussion in 'Non Technical' started by TheTwinZ (Peru), Jun 12, 2012.

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  1. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Geoff there are so many holes in your "summation" it just isn't worth starting... I would be more interested to know how would YOU have the process operate?
     
    rob260, Jun 14, 2012
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  2. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Mike UAS has burnt down once before with nil financial effect to customers. You're drawing a rather long bow...
     
    rob260, Jun 14, 2012
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  3. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    IMO it's simple, whoever is wanting to make a profit from said product should be putting money down for the oppertunity to make money off a product they beleive in.
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  4. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Your names not Geoff!

    But I'll bite...

    Where does that money come from?
     
    rob260, Jun 14, 2012
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  5. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    In this case, twinz and UAS as they are the ones making the money.

    In the real world, it would be any person or company willing to finance a venture in return for some of the profits.

    Obviously this is only done when a person or company has a strong belief that the product or service will turn a profit and they will get something for their outlay.

    And THAT is the risk.
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  6. Wrathlon

    Wrathlon Member


    As I said, if you have an issue with this, then dont pay it. Wait for it to be finished and buy after everyone else who DID pay up front. Is it a risk? Yes, but it's a calculated risk people take. If I want something bad enough I will take a risk to get it early, if you are not comfortable then simply get to the back of the queue and wait until everyone else is done and risk free for you.

    If paying up front gives a small manufacturer enough money to pump out something I really want sooner, than I, and apparently many others, am more than happy to to take the risk to get it sooner and get priority. Think of it like paying a premium to get in before everyone else except instead of paying a premium in money, the premium is the risk. If you cant afford the risk, then move along.

    Your entire complaint is basically "I want it but dont want to pay upfront and therefore nobody else should either". How does other people doing this affect you in any way at all? If they DIDN'T do the up front stuff, then we'd probably not hear about it until it's done and we'd all wait until they financed it themselves and get it down the track then.

    If you aren't happy to pay up front then you are going to have to wait anyway so literally nothing at all changes for you other than you know the product will exist NOW and other people that arent you and are spending THEIR money now and will get first dibs.

    Just because it's unacceptable to you doesn't make it unacceptable to everyone, as evidenced by the vast majority here. What I or anyone thats not you does with their money is none of your concern to get worked up about so really, the only thing that affects you is you want it now, can pay for it now, but you cant have it right now.

    Learn2Patience.

    Edit: And to add, the people who DO pay up front will inevitably help finance it so it CAN be made sooner, then people like you who want to wait until its all paid for etc can do so but it get sooner than you otherwise would have thanks to the risk everyone else took.
     
    Wrathlon, Jun 14, 2012
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  7. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    No, my complaint is the practice. I wouldn't buy it anyway.

    Neither would alot of other people, as evidenced by the fact that the GB fell on its ass.
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  8. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not waiting for it to be made, because I am not going to buy anything from twinz anyway. So people 'like me' are watching for people 'like you' to lose their money for nothing.

    But that's ok, if it happens, it happens. If not, that's great. Shame it's not happening anyway isn't it ;)

    But at least you knew what you were in for ;)
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  9. Wrathlon

    Wrathlon Member

    It's a practice that nobody is forcing you to partake in and as such doesn't affect you in any way.

    If the company cant afford it without the upfront payments, and they dont do what you are suggesting they should do, then the product would never exist and your point is completely moot.

    If OTHER PEOPLE are happy to pay up front but you arent, and you cant get it unless you pay up front, then same principle, it doesn't affect you because if there was no up front payment the product never existed.

    If other people are happy to pay up front but you aren't, and once the product is financed by them and completed you can buy one, grats, you got it in the exact manner and risk level you wanted to courtesy of everyone else.

    If other people are happy to pay up front and the company could probably finance it themselves anyway eventually, then the only effect on you is either 1) You have to wait until all the people who paid up front get theirs first (Like every pre-order system ever) or 2) You get it early because the company didnt have to wait for finance.

    If the company goes bust with everyones money, then you never paid it and its not your problem at all and the product never existed for you.

    Your complaint is completely arbitrary based on your personal opinion on how business should operate, not on anything that actually affects you in any way.
     
    Wrathlon, Jun 14, 2012
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  10. Wrathlon

    Wrathlon Member

    I don't want it either, but as you just pointed out, its my choice, so why are you complaining about it?
     
    Wrathlon, Jun 14, 2012
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  11. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member


    Not enough OTHER PEOPLE take your view. If they did, the GB would happen. But it's not. So they don't.

    And you don't get your product. :rofl:[TIS]

    Oh you can get it, but pay inflated prices, and have to wait til after the yanks get theirs lol
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  12. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    If you don't want one, what are you complaining about? lol
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  13. Wrathlon

    Wrathlon Member

    If the GB doesnt go ahead, everyone gets their money back, and its as if the product never existed.

    And Im fairly certain the group buy not going ahead isnt due to people's problems with the companies business practices.

    What has shipping and "inflated prices" got to do with anything anyway?
     
    Wrathlon, Jun 14, 2012
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  14. Wrathlon

    Wrathlon Member

    Im not complaining about anything, I'm pointing out your complaint about the company's business practices is arbitrary and has no basis in anything that actually affects you, meaning you're complaining for the sake of complaining.
     
    Wrathlon, Jun 14, 2012
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  15. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    It has everything to do with their practices, in that they want too much money up front (ie, too many orders as minimum).

    So let me get this straight.

    You are complaining about my complaining for the sake of complaining, when you don't care and won't be buying anything anyway?

    :rolleyes::zlove:
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  16. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Yes this is certainly an option but how do you think this will affect the price? Either TwinZ invest time and materials or UAS invest capital -in either case there MUST be a return (for the business to remain viable) and the only way to ensure this is via increased cost to the customer.

    You guys want the products shipped cheap which requires volume and time, but you complain about minimum orders. You want the parts at rick bottom markups but you complain about the supplier wanting security?

    You talk about the "real" world and venture finance, well in the real world UAS make less on an order of twenty bars than I suspect you earn in a week AND it takes months to realise this profit. And so instead we have a system where those who wish to "opt in" put something down ad security, a number of us work behind the scenes for little or no financial reward and the job gets done. How sadly typical of forum culture that so many armchair experts feel the need to pontificate and criticise.
     
    rob260, Jun 14, 2012
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  17. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    That is the world we live in Rob.

    Some GB's will work and some won't. This one didn't for whatever reason.

    I am sure UAS don't do anything for nothing, as I am sure you don't in whatever aspect of running GB's you partake in. Just like real life in whatever work you do.

    Personally, I do not much for quite alot in return, but that's the industry I work in, which funnily enough, isn't making or selling car parts.

    The only other way I would work for not much in return was if I loved whatever I was doing, which is (correct me if I am wrong) why JP started UAS in the first place. Almost as a way of funding a race car passion :)
     
    MagicMike, Jun 14, 2012
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  18. AdamZ

    AdamZ New Member

    Pay me $4000 per kit today! and I will make you ABFlug's BEET kit from real wood, shipped and delivered to your door :D



    Fine Print: The kit will be made, once the trees I have recently planted in my backyard grow tall, big and strong.
     
    AdamZ, Jun 14, 2012
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  19. aazn

    aazn New Member

    back on topic..

    for anyone looking at getting this kit remember...

    indicators have to be viable from all angles.
    &
    there are no parker lights.

    will need to find another way of installing them..

    can do what the veilside kits do.. supra front lights... LOL
     
    aazn, Jun 14, 2012
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  20. Bob Lloyd-Jones

    Bob Lloyd-Jones Oldreverbob

    You will have somes problems with the NSW RTA about the front blinker position. Read the regs.
     
    Bob Lloyd-Jones, Jun 14, 2012
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