I've heard great things about Evan's Waterless coolant. I'd assume this would just be a similar product? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PykrgzWPQ
wont matter in a modern car cooling system, boiling water or coolant is not the problem, it is the effect. With a radiator cap and a coolant mix, 120-130c will be the boiling point, that is hot enough to warp and soften the heads. That other stuff boiling at 190c wont matter, the music has stopped long before then
There is another thread on this forum about that stuff. Rob260 uses one of the versions (maybe that one). The thing is that liquids expand when heated and the closer you get to the boiling point, more expansion. Expansion=pressure. So if your coolant doesn't expand as much then it would be more efficient at shifting the heat from the really hot parts of the engine to the cooler parts without expanding as much. So your engine bits are more stable and they market that stuff to vintage car owners for that reason. It works for them and it also works for modern cars. Group buy?
Its the anti-corrosion properties that intrigue me. Obviously, putting it in my engine now, it wouldn't do much good, but in a brand new engine, I would be willing to give it a shot.
I'm going to run the evans stuff in the drift car after the tt swap. Interested to see how it goes. Not cheap though, cheapest I've found is about $35/quart in the us.
Would be a great solution. Anyone know what it costs to do a standard motor. Can you go back to normal coolant after using it or does it contaminate ?. Cheers Dave
It's not cheap. $166.50 for just 5 litres. On the plus side you never need to change it. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/High-Per..._Parts_Accessories&hash=item27e64d96d6&_uhb=1
Firstly, this is an interesting read. Second, once you read through all the marketing waffle on the liquid intelligence website, it does state that it is glycol based. Also talks a lot about meeting Aust Standards. Where is the evidence of certification? Edit: Sorry, they do include a link to a test document carried out in the US. To be certified to Aust Standards I would expect this would need to be carried out in Aust? Interesting the motorsport 'testimonials'. Glycol based coolants should not be used in motorsport, once spilled they are very slippery. I don't think it's actually banned for use by CAMS, but it's generally considered not OK to use. Nano is the new buzzword. No real information about what the product actually is or consists of. Skeptical. lol at the order form asking for your credit card details but no pricing provided.
Don't know if this is the same product; "Liquid Intelligents 115" http://excelerate.com.au/downloads/ls1/450kw/115 Technical Sheet.pdf "100% solution of glycols"
Would be interesting to see their MSDS, if they have one. So little information on this product on their website compared to some of their other products.
Yep, firstly I hate dodgy sales, second, if this is mostly glycol based, and being used in motorsports in Australia, it's highly dangerous. Glycol coolant spills on a race track are worse than oil, difficult to see and remain slippery even once dried.
Well that is an interesting article. Might need to reconsider before going ahead with this, although it should be noted that this article is written by the competition so may contain some bias.
Nano bullshit without quoting the testing authority and process used Totally agree! The MSDS will not confirm anything as it will only list the chemical components and not the nano particles performance or testing used as the MSDS is just that - a Materials Safety Data Sheet and so it is not a performance or testing data sheet. Even if the Nanotechnology was confirmed performance wise with a Transmission Electron Microscope or a Scanning Tunneling Microscope (which is doesn't state IMO!) it may change the area of conductivity and insulation properties due to the increase of area but given the motor will still keep emitting thermal energy and thus this means it would not change anything after a prolonged burst of thermal energy! If your solely doing quarter mile runs from cold to hot - then yes it could be beneficial! If your doing anything more than that which requires the motor to be at normal operating temperature (i.e. racing / cruising / drifting / normal road use etc.) it is not viable other than covering an initial spike from a short boost. Thus for the normal or high performance 300ZX be it racing or cruising it is nothing more than snake oil in the context implied (i.e. a waste of time) In simple terms - Its pure blog shit! :rofl: I also get very sceptical when anyone claims that water (H20) is now some special DD type (or M water or S water) WTF - is that? Ask any chemist and he will tell you water is just water - i.e. it just H20 there is no such thing as DD Water in chemical terms! In fairness I would however say that its quite possible that the thermal temperature retention of the fluid in between starts from the increase in thermal spacial area, would assist in bring an engine back to normal operating temperature quickly and this would be a good thing - but the company does not claim this, nor do they provide any proof of any nanoparticle process or testing and so they should be treated as nothing more than over glorified snake oil manufacturers! You either have the proof and show it or you do not! :br: JC
I agree you have to be suspicious of all marketing claims. Particularly if they are not accompanied with with independent test results to backup their claims. The results of the ASTM D1384 for Evans do not backup their claims of no corrosion. The results for Evans published on the No-Rosion site are similar to the results published on the Evans site. The lab that produced the results published on the Evans website state that they ran an altered D1384 test on the Evans product which may account for the differences. http://www.evanscooling.com/assets/Uploads/SWRI-Corrosion-test.pdf The higher viscosity of Evans not only reduces coolant flow but I expect it will also take more HP to pump. liquidintelligence115 do not appear to have published their results for D1384 other than to say they pass the Australian standard.
