ive come to the conlusion the stock z32 brakes are way too small

omg you peoplez there is no way that a b s will slow the car down quicker

you need to stop fighting about this and do you research first and look at all the stats.

i agree with method and franZ it looks to me that they no something about this topic

well lets start by saying that once abs kicks in the distance you stop is longer if you use you brakes normally you can slow the car down a lot quicker the a b s this has been proven on and of the track time after time.

a b s was introduced due to lock up around corners that's what its job was.

its just even comen sens that firm braking is better to slow the car down then a b s

the shutter (on and of thing ) happens inside the a b s not at the brakes technically there is still a hard strong grip on the discs even when a b s is activated
(THE RED BARON) QWOTE
....it is a good upgrade, but problem is the large number of modifications that are required, one in particular that really defeats the purpose of a big brake kit, and that is having to grind 11mm off the edges of the disc pads to make them fit around the hats. Not to forget mentioning the adapters don't fit and need re drilling, and the brake lines need repositioning and modifying etc., etc.,

if the modification the breaking system is to large with the Porsche brakes or any other brakes, don't you think that building a bigger engine is more of a bigger job in all cases, and that we would need the big breaks to pull us up, regardless of the size of the modification

cheers Alex ( just my 5$ worth) no change thanks

 

I agree with you in theory...in theory communism works Rant warning!

I actually said the quickest way to stop, theoreticallty, is applying the maximum amount of brake pedal pressure BEFORE initiating a lockup...however my point was that given most situations and driver abilities the fastest way for Joe Blow to stop his vehicle, is to thrash that middle pedal, you and I know the ABS can be initiated by the force applied by two fingers alone...however whether Mr Blow on the street knows this is doubtful, and even if he did he would stick by instinct hammer the pedal, he may even apply enough force to bend the pedal (it happens).

I've participated in such driver training courses (and I've got a long way to go before I claim to be a good driver). In such a controlled situation it is relatively easy to ease off the brake after the ABS initiates...try doing it when everyones screaming, totally unexpected. My estimate is unless your Loeb (and even then perhaps) you are going to apply somewhere upwards of 500kg of brake pressure...if your car has ABS, it will engage and you will experience the shuddering of as many as 35 lockup and releases a second...if your car hasn't got ABS

I'd go as far as to suggest that the main reason ABS is not included on track based cars is it is counter productive to flowing lines, think about the braking action applied when trailbraking. If you had ABS you run the risk of zigzagging off the corner...as the wheels lock and release.. Threshold braking is for the track, your not out to impress anyone on the street your trying to survive

badxtc...I'd be fairly confident that franZ would agree ABS is by far the safest option in the event of a street accident...it's time for you to take your own advice and do some research...maybe even participate in a driver training course...learn exactly how difficult it is to apply that correct amount of brake pressure to avoid lockup...perhaps you can contribute when you are more educated or take a slightly more realistic assesment of your abilities as a driver. Until don't crash anywhere near me or my Z, thanks.

Cheers, Adam

 

cherry you are assuming that most people will lock up the brakes lol, I hav

e had to brake HARD several times in cars with and without ABS and I can certainly say I stopped a hell of a lot quicker without it and didn't lock up the wheels. See my post about the 0.2 second reaction time, even if your abs releases for 0.01 seconds, over a distance that would equate to quite a large distance.

I agree with you though, I would rather have ABS than not have it because it has saved me once when I first bought the car, and on the track just take the fuse out if you don't want it.

I am sure there are many drivers who don't just *lock up the brakes* when they are about to stack, except you don't hear about it because they probably just tap or don't even hit what they would have hit.

 

Well my heres my 3 5ths of bugger all on abs...

....I know what you guys are on about with having better stopping power without abs, if you spend a lot of time braking hard you can really get a feel for how hard you can push your brakes and not lock them up, just like you can with a motorcycles front brake.
But on the other hand, abs's real motive is for those OMFG moments when your not just braking hard, but also swerving to avoid something. With abs as you know, you can really stomp the brakes and still get the car to steer where you want it to. Ive had a few moments like that and the best save by the abs for me was avoiding a damn roo that jumped off an embankment into my path while I was negotiating a rather interesting chicane type of tight bends while driving in a manner best suited to the zed up in the mountains. I braked hard and did not lock up at first, but as I swerved hard around the roo the momentum from swerving plus the fact I was going over the crest of a small hill got the car got very light and the tyres started to lock. If I had no abs I would have pirouetted nicely down the road till I stopped one way or another. As it was I got to feel the zed flex the most I have ever felt out of it as it tried to maintain contact with the road, but not only did I manage to not hit the roo, I managed to stay on my side of the road afterwards. I have been very impressed with the zeds abs abilities ever since as it was a very impressive demonstration of what it could do for me (it quite literally stopped braking the drivers side front wheel for what seemed forever at one stage, either that or it was in the air!)

 

Most certainly it would.

After 4 or so laps you can really feel the car braking from the rear - blue disks and pad smearing prove it too!

But by having good brake fluid, a brake master cylinder brace (note I haven't even mentioned braided lines - I haven't put mine on yet) and using brakes as effective as you can you can still go hard lap after lap just as well as the STI's, Evo's and the like!

 

Yep...

Thats a fair assumption - however that would be for the average "Mrs 2 kids going shopping and to school".


For car enthusiasts I would disagree - if you are an enthusiast but are unaware how to threshold brake or if you think you would panic and freeze right at that important second then may I stronly suggest that you participate in a Defensive Driving Course. They are held all over Australia and while some are not as cheap as others it will still be one of the most cost effective mods to any car!

 

Re: Yep...

lol, mods.. MOD THE DRIVER! thats one of the wisest things ive ever heard mentioned on this forum

 

Generally its the biggest thing you can improve in a car!

Sometimes its the cheapest too! haha

 

My hat is off to you Franz

....if you are beating or even keeping up with the STI and Evo lap times with the specs on your Zed, you just have to come to QLD and teach me. I will save my pennies and send you a plane ticket one day.

Better still, any other Queenslanders want to chip in for his expenses for a couple of days race tuition on the track????????????????????????:thumbsup:

 

My hat is off to you Franz

....if you are beating or even keeping up with the STI and Evo lap times with the specs on your Zed, you just have to come to QLD and teach me. I will save my pennies and send you a plane ticket one day.

Better still, any other Queenslanders want to chip in for his expenses for a couple of days race tuition on the track????????????????????????:thumbsup:

 

I have to agree with Uniquezed, and lets get back to the point

From the original post the problem was brake fade from high speed. The accusation they are crap is itself crap. You say a standard car has crap brakes, only one place in the world can you legally do 180km/h on the road in a standard car. Cars generally are not built for race conditions. Hence for the road conditions the 300zx was built, the brakes are fine.

End of story.

 

back to reality, and how many people who own zeds never

take em above 110km?
thats what i thought.

 

What pads do you currently have?

If its the stock Nissan then yes they suck. Stock brakes with pads like bendix ultimates and decent brake fluid will be a big improvement. More than most people will ever need for the street.

 

dont know what brand they are, but they are DUSTY as..

 

One Question Travis.

When was the last time you had your brake fluid drained and replaced??

I am guessing NEVER !!

 

Im up for that.

There was a rough plan that doesn't look like it will eventuate to come and do the Dutton in QLD later this year.

But with a lack of finances and the Skyline being far from how its supposed to be, I don't think its gonna happen. *fingers crossed though*

Tas and NSW in Sept though

 

Dusty doesn't always mean good.

 

Are you coming for the Dutton in NSW Franz!

I wont be racing but working as an Official most probably. Still broke from Tassie, man you will love that it was so fun there and the best roads mate.

 

z32 brakes

i recently installed ss lines , couple this with brake master cyl brace and a decent pads and fluid z32 brakes are pretty decent, yeah not as good as my old r33 but still more than enough 4 road use.

would heavily suggest that every1 flushes there brake fluid propperly , when i flushed mine i was getting fluid that was grey and sticky similar 2 glue coming out, make a hell of a difference, and dont 4get 2 bleed abs actuator!

 

It was the plan. But I dont think so.

Car nor finances aren't ready!