Was having a browse through the forum this morning and came across this near identical set of HP Envy 19" wheels. Now I'm happy to be educated, but something looks off to me, I'm not sure if it's my cars suspension, or just a visual illusion. I have a set of HP Envy wheels. My wheels are 19" 8.5inch +38 fronts and 19" 9.5inch +38 rears. The fronts have a good amount of space from the wheel arch, while the rears needed a couple of deg. camber to tuck them in nicely. Fellow member Ns-Zed has a set of 19" HP Envy's also. According to his build thread, the fronts are 8.5inch +10 (+20mm spacer) = total +30? and rears 10inch +35 From what I believe, my fronts should have 8mm 'more space' in the wheel arch than his, being +38 vs +30 and the same width, and the rears I should have just over 9mm more space. factoring his wheels are half an inch wider and the +38 vs +35 offset. What I don't get is why if his fronts should only be 8mm further out than mine, and the rears 9mm further out, that it appears as though his fronts are much more than 8mm further out, AND possibly more unusual, his rears appear to fit under the guards more, even though he should have just over 9mm more wheel to fit in on the outside half of the wheel.. Any knowledgeable people I'd love to hear back from you. I should mention in case people are unaware, but we both have the same series of wheel, both Series 1.. Series 2 and 3 are slightly different visually, so I know this is not a factor. Cheers, Krausey
Looks like his front tire may be a little narrower than yours (could be tyre profile). Tyre may be stretched on.
the camber settings influence all of that. you really need to include the camber settings to make accurate comparisons. the one on the right looks like it's an inch or maybe 2 lower so there will be more negative camber there that explains why the front and rears sit so differently. i don't think it's too surprising. the rears on the right might have maybe 3 or more degrees which will eat the tyres. not what you want anyway.
My tyres are 235/35/19F and 265/30/19R this was to keep the diametre of the tyre within VICroads regs for legality. Required a recalibration of my speedo. was a few km/h out. His tyres all the info I could get was 245/?/19F and 265/?/19R
If his wheels are +10 with a 20mm spacer, that takes his offset to -10, not +30... Did you mean he had +30, then after a 20mm spacer he was at +10?
This is his build thread here. You could be spot on there, but it just doesn't look like its got that much camber on it. on his list of things to get is a camber kit, so I'm not sure how much you can get from stock suspension..when I got my wheels they forgot to dial in ANY camber, and literally 500m down the road after I left I went into a servo to get petrol and the rear tyre got caught on the inside guard...that was no fun at peak hour having to wait for RACV to come with some blocks of wood so I could jack the car level again and not tear apart my brand new tyres!
I could never find any stamping on my set when I had them, but they did fit perfectly (with no spacers). I know this doesn't help you at all... but thought I'd share anyway haha. Pop some 20mm spacers on the front and they'll fill out nicely.
My fronts have camber in that photo I think, how much I am not too sure. I'll guess 2 degree as the arms have a max of three degree and I have used about two thirds of the thread from dead centre. My rears have toe arms and there is visible toe in when looking from front to back. Once I get all camber arms installed then I will get this all fixed and the settings right for the car. I have been meaning to research the benefits of toe-in at the rear....but haven't. The car is low, too low at the moment, but this car doesn't get driven its just project car and once I drive it on a regular basis I will get the settings done properly. happy to measure to get the correct offsets? Neil.
Fronts: 30mm spacers in that picture....so offset is +8 with camber. guards aren't rolled, but at this height I am getting slight scrubbing. fender liners are gone too.
Also, I don't remember these wheels coming in a 10" rear (or I would have got them). Where are you getting your figures from, Ns-Zed? Do either of you actually have offset/size stamped on the wheel somewhere? I could never find it when I looked.
I think I have confused you by not writing the correct numbers. front 19x8.5 +38 rears 19x10 +38 fronts have 30mm spacers and camber, see below. I'll measure the rear wheel if I can to confirm if they are 9.5 or 10".
Ah this is all making sense now! I was aware with some camber and other adjustments it could make it look odd, but with corrected numbers (and the lesson on not adding a spacers width to the offset, rather taking it off) it is a lot clearer now. Thanks to all for your help
