Flared guards

Discussion in 'Technical' started by graysonvario, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. graysonvario

    graysonvario New Member

    How far can the rear guards be flared with a roller ?
    Don't want to cut and weld or get bolt on flares.
     
  2. scottyoz1962

    scottyoz1962 Active Member

  3. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    Best off telling us what you are trying to fit. And 2 seater or 4?
     
  4. graysonvario

    graysonvario New Member

    2+0
    Wanting to widen my wheels to 11".
    They will sit out of the guard so what I want to know is how far can the guard be pulled out with out extensive mods.
     
  5. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    11+45-50 will be your best bet
     
  6. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    Pretty sure 11+40 is the max for clearance on the lower control arm.

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  7. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    Lower control arm easy to get around

    Keep going til you hit spring

    Gotta convert to NA toe too; outer hicas ball joints too obtrusive
     
  8. graysonvario

    graysonvario New Member

    Darn that's not much dish
     
  9. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    Knotching for rim yes
    But
    allowing for tire size like a 315 ? ..not everyone wants stretch look with rim exposed

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  10. graysonvario

    graysonvario New Member

    Iv got 4"space between run and spring with my 9" +6

    Will the 11 hit the arm or the spring first

    Or should I play it safe an run 10.5 wide
     
  11. SuperZ

    SuperZ Resident Z lunatic


    It depends on panel condition/ skill and equipment etc.

    As a general guide:

    Flares up to 1 inch should be fine.......... :)

    1 - 2 inch is common...... but the quarter can still buckle ;)

    Above 2 inch / 2.5 inch and quarter panel will most likely buckle and need stress relief :(

    The more times it is progressively rolled or partially rolled, generally the better, but there are no guarantees after 2 inches due to the stress limits of the 1/4 panel.

    A buckled quarter is a real PITA to deal! Stress lines can be notorious to correct given they are under pressure from all sides.

    You will be pushing to find a quote with a figure above 2 inches at the arch for this reason (even if there are some guru's out there)



    JC
    :zlove:
     
  12. MagicMike

    MagicMike Moderator Staff Member

    Dude the amount of time and money you must have spent playing around with wheels... Just get something custom made to suit and be done with it.

    www.jdmconcept.com.au

    Leo will sort you out ;)
     
  13. graysonvario

    graysonvario New Member

    Time yes
    Money no
    I sell my wheels when I want new ones and always get my money back.
    When I get it right I promise I'll stop :D
     
  14. graysonvario

    graysonvario New Member


    That's the answer I was looking for
    Thanks
     
  15. Anti

    Anti 14.7 x 14.7 = 44.1

    I'd love to see a 2" flare with no panel work necessary after. ..
     
  16. mungyz

    mungyz Well-Known Member

    Agreed I don't think you have a hope in hell of pushing the arch out by even an inch without needing work on the panel to keep it looking nice.

    These cars have been around long enough and the prices have dropped so far that a huge amount of the advice/information you can find out there is frankly utter bullshit posted by kids with no idea what the hell they are on about.

    Sure I bet you can get in there rough as all hell and move what ever you want as far as you want but at what cost? the car is likely to end up looking like one of those sack of crap "slammed" or "stanced" piles of junk that look like the wheels are about to fall off with patches or cable ties holding the bumpers on because they cut all the bumper tabs off to stop them rubbing on the tyres.

    (insert a few more lines of ranting)

    Anyway my advice is don't expect to move your rear panels out by more than an inch or so without having to do serious work to retain any decency in the aesthetics of your pride and joy.
     
  17. SuperZ

    SuperZ Resident Z lunatic

    Haha - someone kill the imperial system off once and for all

    Me too..........as your struggling after 1 inch / 2.5cm


    That's what playing with inches all day on my chevy does to you and then read the previous posts with inches on wheels fresh on my mind :rofl:

    Should have read cm instead of inches - soz

    It can be done above 1 inch / 2.5cm - but it generally it will buckle near the vertical line of the axle where the stress is the greatest

    Most guys will quote up to 2cm - 2.5cm. After that they get concerned with buckling.

    I doubt I personally would ever get over 2.5cm without buckling but I have seen some guru's out there perform magic, so I am not going to say it cannot be done even if I can't do it myself as I have seen it done before with my own eyes.

    Up to 1cm no problems
    1 - 2cm should be fine but there is a very slight risk of buckling
    2 - 2.5cm is about the limit before buckling is more than likely
    2.5cm and beyond is a gamble and takes a guru


    Hope that helps - I wish the imperial system would just die out once and for all :rofl:


    Cheers
    JC


    :zlove:
     
  18. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    no way you will pump 2"

    My wide body is 2" with a cut and shut

    you can pump about 10 - 15mm to still look normal/factory

    continue and it will flare ,(look terrible ),then buckle

    also limited where the quarter meets the rear bar


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  19. kiff

    kiff Member

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    Yes I know there is a bit of space but 295 will go under when needed :)
     
  20. graysonvario

    graysonvario New Member

    Thanks Super Z for clearing that up

    And Black Beast your right anything over the 15mm will loose the sleek look of the car and I don't want that.

    I'm not trying to push boundaries or do anything crazy
    I'm just getting wider wheels and am just doing some reasurch into what I'll be getting myself into if I go 11".

    I'm running 10" now as I'm sure most of you are without any trouble so I was just seeing if another inch on top of that would require work.

    I think 10" so that I can have more dish and push my guards out 15mm would be to go after all the info you guys have provided

    Thanks
     

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