EOI: Tein Monoflex AUS-SPEC Coilovers

Discussion in 'Group Buys' started by rob260, Jul 17, 2008.

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  1. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    tekky the car you drove would not have been fitted with AUS mono-flex -there aren't any yet. It would have been jap or us which yes are too hard for road and do not allow proper weight transfer at the track. The ones in the group buy will be tuned for Aussie conditions.
     
    rob260, Jul 20, 2008
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  2. mr0300

    mr0300 MR0300

    If you say there good rob they must be good, im in if this goes ahead...
    :zlove:
     
    mr0300, Jul 20, 2008
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  3. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Pic

    Pic of the monoflex gear for anyone interested...

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    rob260, Jul 24, 2008
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  4. CrestaJohn

    CrestaJohn NEW 'OEM' PARTS

    I'm interested to know

    how an Aussie track differs from a Jap or US track. Afterall, a racetrack is a racetrack and all racetracks will have undulations, corners etc. Proper race cars will use different spring rates at different tracks so I'm not sure where the comparison is made. (BTW:I am not an expert on shocks - hence the question)

    Same goes for our roads - what makes our roads different from any other?

    This is the main reason for promoting this product so I am curious to understand how this product is manufactured to suit 'Aussie' conditions.



     
    CrestaJohn, Jul 24, 2008
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  5. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Exactly, and the spring rates supplied with the US and Japanese items are too hard for proper weight transfer. UAS have run several different combinations over the years trying to accurately tune the suspension, and found a noticeable improvement swapping from previous Japanese Tein Flex to Fulcrum manufactured Aussie spec Tein Flex.

    As with tracks they are not as smooth as those overseas, hence why many people using Japanese spec coilovers (including the Tein monoflex tektrader mentioned above) have commented on an overly harsh and uncomfortable ride.

    More info from the Fulcrum website

    Fulcrum Suspensions. has joined forces with renowned Japanese suspension company TEIN Inc. to bring serious performance car suspension to the Australian market. TEIN products allow you to extract the full handling potential from your vehicle, and offer the optimal balance between sports performance and comfort. TEIN?s passion is to exceed others in the pursuit of ideal suspension...offering more flexibility, crisper handling, and the ability to turn corners freely. TEIN is made for ALL drivers in search of total driving pleasure and reminds drivers how fulfilling the driving experience really is. With the ability to feel the grip on different road surfaces, durability to maintain high performance for a long periods and quality to ensure complete confidence, TEIN creates total driving pleasure.

    TEIN Suspension already has a strong cult following amongst Japanese performance car enthusiasts and Fulcrum has invested heavily in research and development to customise TEIN products to suit for Australian vehicles and road conditions. To do this, TEIN suspensions supplied Fulcrum with their own highly experienced R&D manager, to work with our own R&D team to oversee an extensive program to fit, measure, test and redevelop the TEIN suspension systems to an extensive range of vehicles.

    Lots of info and vids here http://www.fulcrumsuspensions.com.au/TEIN/Tein.html that offer more info.

    Youtube fulcrum informecial here http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261078&highlight=tein+fulcrum+infomercial
     
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    rob260, Jul 24, 2008
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  6. 300zx lover

    300zx lover THE F@%KEN ARAB

    these sound tempting. whats the part number for this product?
     
    300zx lover, Jul 24, 2008
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  7. Anton

    Anton New Member

    I was thinking the same thing, and it's not like Australia has a standard applied to racetracks, they are all different, look at Waneroo compared to Oran Park compared to Bathurst ect. I'n WA we have Waneroo and Collie and AHG (though ahg is a circuit not really a race track) and they are all very different. As for smoothness of the track, they aren't as good as the velodrome but how many tracks in the US and Japan can you shoot pool on? As for UAS, isn't it possible the track they were testing on required softer springs and other tracks they didn't use may require harder springs?

    I'm not trying to shoot this product down but I think if these points can be explained you may have a few more interested parties
     
    Anton, Jul 24, 2008
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  8. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    No idea mate, do you mind if i ask why?
     
    rob260, Jul 24, 2008
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  9. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Anton -i have posted all the info i have available. I'll ask john from UAS to respond to your query, in the meantime if you have any specific questions post them up and i will answer.
     
    rob260, Jul 24, 2008
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  10. 300zx lover

    300zx lover THE F@%KEN ARAB

    just want to do furthur research about these robert. sound great, when oyu get a part number let me know.
     
    300zx lover, Jul 24, 2008
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  11. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    You won't find listing for Aussie mono flex in any catalogues, this is the first production run. What do you want to know?
     
    rob260, Jul 24, 2008
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  12. Boll!

    Boll! Well-Known Member

    Just curious, As i also know very little about coilovers ect.
    What would these be like for drag runs?

    Col
     
    Boll!, Jul 24, 2008
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  13. blue32zx

    blue32zx The answer is 42

    what timeframe are we talking

    what is the original price? and can we get these outside the gb?
     
    blue32zx, Jul 24, 2008
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  14. MikeZ32

    MikeZ32 das Über member

    completely useless for drag. you don't really need coilovers for drag. if you want coilovers and the car is mainly draggin then HKS Hipermax Drag have the right dampers to help the car squat down and grip.
     
    MikeZ32, Jul 24, 2008
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  15. heavytrevy

    heavytrevy "Hammer time "

    I agree the hks or the standard suspension is best for weight distribution .(dragracing)

    Regards
    Trev
     
    heavytrevy, Jul 24, 2008
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  16. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    They are geared more towards circuit than straight line... I'll check this out with john as well.
     
    rob260, Jul 24, 2008
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  17. rob260

    rob260 Administrator Staff Member

    Blue -the timeframe will depend on the buyers. I am not one to stuff around but i need to get a clear idea of interest and quantities before i put a deadline on it. Yes they will be available outside of group buy but will be a couple of hundred dollars more. This is a special deal for big volume order.
     
    rob260, Jul 24, 2008
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  18. UNIQUE ZED

    UNIQUE ZED Zed Racing World

    Suspension answers


    The Monoflex are a monotube unlike the Superstreet and Flex, and why they cost more, as they cost more to make. They are similar to Bilstein internally and stand much more temp and more reliable especially on long drives, or at the track after more than a few laps. They are also more precise adn work better.

    These would not be ideal for drags although not bad and you could change rear springs for drag to be ideal. They are mainly suited for road and circuit. USA and Jap spec are way too hard in spring rate and also a bit to hard in valving especially in rear. I have driven an R32 GTR with Jap Monoflex on our roads it is way too hard and bumpy, and not enough squat, especially for rear wheel drive zeds. Th car skipped when hitting bumps, uncomfortable and not good for braking also.

    A few months ago we had Graham the boss of Fulcrum and one of the head guys form Tein over from Japan at UAS for a meeting. We discussed their Monoflex being too hard for our roads and tracks, Graham agreed. Even a smooth tracks like Philip Island for rear wheel drive car Jap -USA spec Monoflex would be too hard mainly in rear spring rates and car would not weight transfer and oversteer. For every other track definitly too hard.

    For the price they cannot be beaten as adjustable Monotube shock, with adjustable spring platform and adjustable base, from suspension specialist manufacturer, and probably the best suspension in Japan. Main thing is one of in theis GB for UAS softer spec. Bilstein would cost more if adjustable spring platform height version and although very good, they are NOT adjustable base and not adjustable shock.
     
    UNIQUE ZED, Jul 25, 2008
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  19. Anton

    Anton New Member

    this still doesn't explain why 'one of the best suspension company's in Japan' goes "too hard" for japanese and US models, what is significantly different about thier roads and tracks? Or are you suggesting that the group buy your running will just be a superior product to the Jap and US one, much like Eibach is better than monroe because of the design, valving, quality etc.
     
    Anton, Jul 25, 2008
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  20. BLACK BEAST

    BLACK BEAST SLICKTOP TT R-SPEC

    Doesn't make sense to me either ....
    especially if its for the track ...
    Different story if you also want it to be a daily driver,some of our roads are shocking
     
    BLACK BEAST, Jul 25, 2008
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