Hi guys, i'm italian, so sorry if i'll say something wrong I'm thinking about building my engine, i want to reach something really close to 600hp, wich is the cheapest way to achieve that? But don't get me wrong, i'm an engine reconditioner, so the engine will be done in the best way possible, with quality components, torque plated, arp studs everywhere, forged pistons and rods (probably wiseco-eagle) etc, what i'm asking here is to do a list of parts that i'll need for sure, but the essentials... I try to explain better: I'd go for gt2560r or gt2860r, what do you suggest? My big concern is also about the heads: will i need racing camshafts, racing valves, valve springs and stuff like that or with a set of mild camshafts, stock valves, stock springs etc will still be fine for 600hp? IC: Front mount or side mount? 2" piping will still be good? Injectors: what size will i need? ( series 1 zed) will i need adaptors to suit the newer version, 300° fuel line etc? ECU: nistune will be fine? Selin: will i need it? Stuff like that can you help me? thanks guys! :br::br:
cant really help you in advice but I would querry if you mean cheapest or easiest, I say this because you state you will used quality aftermarket internals and studs etc, that to me does not come across as the cheapest option so I do wonder if your wording is accurate for your intentions. As for advice there are several build treads where guys have good numbers in the build section
"Cheapest" & "600hp" should not be used in the same sentence. Do some searching for people that have at least come close to this figure, particularly in the Zed Re-build section for some of the huge builds. This may help give more details on how to reach those figures. There are so many different ways and options that you would just have to do your own research and figure out what components you want to choose. ...but don't expect it to be a "cheap" operation, and don't expect it to be streetable if/when you achieve that figure.
thanks for answering i actually mean cheaper, but probably easier fit, too i want to build a good and lasting engine, but for example only in the heads you can save 1000 to 2000$ if you don't really need racing camshafts, springs and valves...
sounds to me like your going to struggle badly in getting anywhere near that desired 600hp..... what else do you plan on 'skimping on' probably dont need forged internals either if you nurse it
have a 850hp car here that the missus is happy and more than capable of ducking down to the supermarket in...... mate's wife is driving a 300rwkw as a daily ....... and you wouldnt pick this sleeper untill you looking at the dissappearing tail lights not every 'powerup' build is undrivable
That may be fair. But i'm actually talking about Zeds here, and for the originally posted 600hp number. I drive a 320rwkw Zed, that is perfectly streetable. But a 450rwkw(600hp) zed can be a whole other story. Just being realistic.
That's the point, i'm not tryng to "skimp" something, i just want understand if the extra $$$ are worth... i mean, spending 1000$ in oversize valve, why? will the original one fail? the better flow that they give will give me 50hp more than stockies?
as previously stated 600hp isnt cheap, the engine that was in my car when i bought it at one stage made 375kw (500hp) and now that it shit itself im getting it rebuilt and hoping to get closer to 400kw (540hp) some of the stuff had already been done, and its still costing me 15k but that was with alot of repairs.
You are not the first to ask questions like this. My advice is, don't bother. Reading a few of your questions it appears as if you have a lot to learn. Go for 400hp, that's a lot more realistic & can be achieved with bolt-ons. If you want 600hp give it a big shot of NOS & heaps of boost, that will be the cheapest and easiest way (won't last long though) I have a question for you, how old are you?
i think that you saw "cheap" and didn't read the rest... i'm 28 i've never built an engine for myself, and now i want to do it, or at least, i'm tryng to understand if i can afford it, and plan how much it'll cost to me. i never said " i won't spend 2000$ for camshafts etc" i'd just like to understand if stockies aren't enough, if they won't last (and why they won't last), i don't know really much about heads, i usually take care of the block, that's why i'll put arp studs, the block will be line honed, torque plated, cnc bored and faced etc...
I'm guessing 600hp at the engine not the wheels ? gt28rs (2860r) forged bottom end for strength the more you spend on heads the easier you will get 600hp
Poor OP is having his thread trashed... The main thing you need to work out is if you want a usable 600hp or if you just want to hit the magic figure "cheaply" in which I mean do you want a laggy dyno queen or "usable power" This will have a huge impact on your parts list and price!
That's what i like to know and understand! But nobody is helping in that, i know that the more that i'll spend the best i'll get, it'd be easy to guess... As per the lag: i'd think that lag will be less with stock camshafts, race ones will improve top end power, but with more lag i guess, am i wrong? the same for ic piping, 2" should reduce lag, but does it flow enough to achive 600hp? (yes, i'm talking about engine power of course, non at the wheels...) the same for the turbos, i was expecting that someone would said something like "with gt2560r at 600hp you're at maximun flow that they can give, you will need race cams, etc etc, maybe with a gt2860r you can keep stock cams and add a few pressure, it'll be a little more laggy but the spool up will be around xxxRPM etc" I can do research by myself, i just thought that was easier asking in here, because there are a lot of people with a lot of experience and knowledge in z stuff, so they could tell what worths the money and how it changes the response of the engine and all that stuff. Maybe i was wrong
The best thing you can do is go to the builds section and in particular rob260's build and have a read. It will give you an idea of how to do the build PROPERLY and you can think about how you would like to change it to suit your budget. With the bigger turbos, head work and larger intake piping will actually assist spool times and reduce lag. You want at least GT2860r turbos I believe. I'm no expert, the best info you will get is the info you search and find yourself, as you have seen most people on here will just treat you like the other 2 or 3 people who come onto the forum each year and ask how to get big power cheaply. The answer is you can't get it cheaply, bang for buck is what you want I believe though? Efficient money spending!
Ugh. Really? Gtfo with that whiny bullshit. People are trying to help you. Just because it's not the answer you were looking for doesn't mean it's not the answer. There is not a cheap way to make 600hp reliably with the Z. Yes you can buy a TT Z for 6k+ but these cars originally sold for over 100k. Parts are expensive, labour is expensive and finding people who are knowledgeable about them is even harder. Actually. I guess there is probably a way to get it for cheap and thats buying someone elses finished project which you can basically get for a steal. I would have said to sell whatever Z you had and buy WazTTeds HKS2530, 3.2L stroker car for ~22k but it looks like he has pulled his for sale ad. That's probably the cheapest if you can convince him to sell.
As i wrote before, people saw "cheap" and finished to read my post. I'm an engine reconditioner, doing that myself it's part of what i'm looking for, it's too easy buy something that someone else did before, and i couldn't be an expert on what's around the engine, but i'm proud of what i can do with the block, about size, finishing, accuracy fitment and all those shit inside the engine. And because i'm not rich, i'm not an expert in Z and i don't really know what i need, i'm asking here to you, to get some suggestions, to understand why something it'd be better, because i'd like to learn and understand why i'm doing something, not only because it's the most expensive thing that you can buy so it must be the best thing that you need. I did a few specific questions in the first post, it was a starting point i thought, but except for 2 members that suggested me to go for the gt28, all the others treated me like someone that came here sayng: "hey, i want 600hp, can i do that buyng a can of hazelnuts?" so sorry if this made me a little upset, i apologies for that, and ok that my english it's not really good, but it really looks to me that most of you just read "cheap" and that's it, end of the story... I'd thought that could be a good thread to talk about all the mods that you can do on the zed, analyzing them to see what they really give you... If someone had told me "you need race camshaft, otherwise you won't have flow enough for reach what you want." Fine, that's it, add camshafts and all the stuff to the list and where it goes...
You reliably want 600hp? -Forged bottom end (Duh) -Huge head work (You should already know this) -GT28RS turbos (At the minimum) -Upgraded intercooler (Not gonna go into FMICvsSMICvsSBSFMIC, thats your choice) -Selin intake kit (Not 100% needed, but its generally said that with 500hp+ its worth it) This is where you have to answer; Do you want a crazy street drivable, useable power zed? Or do you want a 600hp dyno queen? Pending your answer; -Larger than standard manual cams -Valve springs (Helps to safely increase useable redline) -Oversized valves (+1mm intake and exhaust) Blah blah blah, the list goes on forever. Listen to the guys here, they know their shit. Spend a day looking through and reading the build threads on here. Best for you would be Rob260, Moulazx ect. I'm 19, drive an N/A and the only reason I know this stuff is questions and reading build threads. Good luck.
