? oh man wait till u get in a zed with bigger snails I have compared the na against the TT for over 18 mths now, there is no way in hell a NA could ever beat a TT thru the twisties or a tight race track. Pretty sure Jp or Fleet never even considered a Na as a race car. Na's make nice DD's and thats it. If you want to waste ur money by all means, do the thing up as for the lagg on turbo's cars get on the gas earlier / brake boost or get anti lagg via a microtech Trev
i have been very edumacated now, i had no idea this was around. very interesting, this is why i joined this site to gain more knowledge about the car i drive =)
what crap,get a basic t/t,then go up against a good n/a ,specifically built for it with all mods that are required on tight roads, with a good driver and youre dead in the water But then again maybe i have just fluked it lol,bring ya t/t down trev
i don,t mean as in racing on a track i mean daily driving fun (racing at lights etc) i should have been more clearer! my bad everyone! i know that a tt will win over all, im just saying on the encounter i had with a stock tt fairlady i came out better = not saying my car is quicker or better than a tt = this is why im posting to learn more from other peoples experiences and knowledge. i dont see it as wasting my money its my pride and joy! and ive never said i wanted massive improvements 4 track, drag or to be a dyno king i just want improvements to help overall driving performance in all areas this is my daily driver (only car) i dont want a drag car or anything just a nice done up respectable auto n/a 300zx that is all!!!!!! =) =) thanks
Yup ur either coming up against poorly maintained TT's or shithouse drivers lol. Google morgan park raceway in warwick, a very tight track and Fleets beast used to hang with some very serious machinery ie, fully worked escort with a 400hp v8 not to mention all the other na v8's in various light body shells. even the porsche race cars are no match He only had a set of Garrett RS's def not the biggest turbo setups available. Trev
thank you LOWZX very helpful especially considering you own a n/a and a tt your very open and not one against the other = they both have there pro's and cons cheers
now you using a 430rwkw zed as a comparison ,fail , :bow2: Like i said,an n/a specifically built for the twisties will give a hiding to a t/t general roadcar,thats what i said,and that is the case If the t/t cant handle the corners and cant brake,it doesnt have a hope,thats common sense im afraid both are great cars,theres no doubt about that,but dont try to compare apples with oranges when it comes to one built for it and one that isnt,theres more to driving in the twisties than boost If thats how you think,you would be easy prey You have to remember there is a point where either zed cannot go any quicker through the twisties,whether its t/t or n/a
the stock tt i had an encounter with looked like it had been very well looked after from the outside excellent body, nice pearl paint = very clean is there anything on youtube?
I other words, you don't have any valid reason for commenting on the advice I offered to SLY, other than the fact that it came from me(that takes post-whoring to an entirely new level Si. Unfortunately for the rest of us, it's a downward level).
ur missing the point , ur theory is about lagg, look at the track Also look some dyno charts of zeds with big turb's even at low rpm (3500) they are making gobs of power Ur welcome to do some twistys up this way with us :zlove: I won't tell u whats in my car , ude better bring that new TT of urs Trev
There's no need to thank me for telling you what you wanted to hear(and I apologize for not bulls**tting to you as well). Next time I won't bother to take the time to answer your posts. Enjoy your delusions.:zlove:
what do you mean by that im thanking everyone for help and advice thats why im here it just feels like i get crucified for owning a n/a auto 300 and wanting to improve it and everyone people tell me im wasting my time or to get a turbo if i wanted a turbo version i would have bought 1 i want help upgrading my daily na auto 300 i didt ask for a war between turbo and n/a 300zx's i dont have delusions
My reply to you answered the questions you asked, gave you a glowing endorsement of owning an NA, an honest comparison of the performance strengths and weaknesses of both cars(NA & TT), and some advice re cost/value of chasing power increases. What did I get for my trouble?...... A well known "post whore" immediately going for my throat(because I presented him with the opportunity by answering you), and You thanking him for all his assistance(info which had some basis in fact, but which was wildly imaginative on other fronts). Personally, I don't need the aggro from this act of attempting to help you with your questions(hence my statement that I won't bother again). Not your fault, but that's how it goes on here. Enjoy your car(just don't get your expectations too high). TT's and NA's are vastly different machines, each has a place amongst sports cars.:zlove:
i have been thanking everyone, not taking sides and all advise good or bad has been very helpful thats why i came on here all i asked for was help to upgrade/ improve my car, not to make enemys or annoy people i just think this thread got out of hand. i just felt like i had done something bad for wanting to do up my pride and joy especially cos its an auto and n/a by getting told im wasting my time i have not been agro to anyone on here especially you (if your reffering to me) if i have i am sorry didnt mean to be! =) i appreciate everyones help i just wish this thread didnt turn out the way it did and into some heated battle about n/a and turbo. i would very much appreciate everyones help with my car that is why i started a new thread so hopefully its a bit more clearer and just has help with my n/a auto and no one getting annoyed. sorry for any inconvenience's i may have caused and if i have done the wrong thing and annoyed anyone i am sorry did not mean 2! thats why i said im new here so hopefully people would go easy on me. p.s dont worry i havent got them to high at all just want a nice clean respectable auto, n/a with nice upgrades 2 help make it that bit better from stock its just my daily
As already stated, you are not at fault in this issue, and you have nothing to apologize for(the aggro was not from you either, so don't be concerned). If you stay around here for very long(and I hope you do), you will discover that there are some areas that are better off being avoided. Welcome to the snake pit.:zlove:
thanks im just trying to not offend any 1 or cause conflict i hope i am here long term aswell, it has been very helpful either way probably not the start i was hoping for but a good learning curve i guess! i hope you and everyone else here continues to help me as i will try and do the same. well hopefully my new threads run much smoother =)
Uh...let a few of the TT guys here tell you that they boost quite early to be honest. I have an NA too and i'm all for defending them, but TT's come on boost fairly low. edit: just realised there was another full page of replies in regards to this issue, my bad
Some people want to help ,others have their dick in their hand mate ,probably the reason there are not many great modded n/a's in this country Go here www.300zxclub.com they will help you,and have many threads there already relating to it,unfortunately there are too many "sell it ,buy a t/t" tools here Its sad really,as like you said,you didnt ask if it was worth it,you asked what to do
Welcome Welcome chris from all of us here. Come on an Adelaide Cruise so we can see the beast. Nice purchase you have made. Post some pics. this topic has been covered a few times but there are 4 or 5 members here that have stuck with NAs for 3-4 years.. (for what ever reason ie insurance, reliability ect) Myself, Jedi-77, LowZX and Chrispy are just a few and we know the in's and out's. Really there isnt A lot to be made out of the NA in respect to a dyno sheet gain. As in, stock with no errors, service ect you should reach crica 120rwkw if you sustain good compression across all 6 cyl. - You should, its only got 135,000 kms. So there are mods that can increase that value to say 140rwkw but how is that gonna feel when you drive it. Firstly you have an auto which robs some peak power, most of us run manual so you may see a 5kw difference. A pod filter is a nice inexpensive add on and removes mess and plastic out of the front bar section. It picks up fresh air 100% of the time being so far forward. Next up you have a choice with the exhaust. You will learn to keep the NA quiet NISSAN put restrictors in parts of the system such that it reduces to 1" in places. Yes 1". Check your cats for overall condiiton but they should be fine. The cats flow well and will only die if u have oil and water going through there. Cut the rest of the system off and run twin 2.25" pipes, an X pipe and some large, sold rear mufflers. (large, solid means they give back pressure and reduce or remove drone - yes NA's drone and loose power with a big system) Dont bother with Extractors / Headers as they cost 1,000 bucks fitted for Nill gains (anther topic) Check the tailshaft for wear. Most of us have gone with a upgrade 1pc tailshaft as it reduces 9kg of rotating mass and improves power delivery. Following that you can add Iridium plugs for long life constant spark (they have no main power benefit over coppers but you never need to take them out) Buy a data scan cable and check for senosr errors and you can also use the cable to modify your base timing and monitor the engine. If your going to run 98 oct fuel you have a chance to add more timing into the motor via the CAS and get some more thottle response. (you have an auto so you'll feel it) Can add 5kw if you increase the timing from 15deg to 20deg (dont run anymore especially in summer) In regards to your auto you can check that for errors, change the oil in it and run a servo mod to make shifts quicker. Works well. Change the diff oil at the same time. Lastly there is a part called an Under Drive pully. It works by slowing down the speed of the accessories at high rpm thus giving more power. (do a search on UDP) With all this done you can expect more power and more response from your engine. Check your engine mounts as worn mounts loose engine response and low down power. Service wise run oil and filter every 5,000 and use an oil above 35bucks a bottle. Service your throttle bodies and clean your connectors under the bonnet once a year to improve sensor readings and improve power through fuel effeciency. Always check the water level and if your not sure on the past ( as in a recipt that its been done) get the radiator checked and power flushed, change coolant 1ce a year as it doesnt cost much and cheap insurance against a 5 grand engine swap. Make sure you run all shrouds, engine and bumper floor, check for a new rad cap - if its old and rusty, change it NOW. Lastly, your ECU can be changed to increase the definition in the tune. Modify your fuel / air ratio and make the most of all the mods. Do this last, if you feel like pissing 1200 bucks against the wall. You'll hit the magic 150kw this way. Once you wanna go faster in the tight twisty roads beef up tyre size, suspension and brake size. DO a search. When your car is set up like this you should be able to beat 5L v8s and modern 6s with no fuss at all. (Do it on the track) Before you do ANY of the above find out if your car had the 100,000 service. if not do a Search and get back to us. Good luck and enjoy your zed.:zlove: Cheers Frank
