3.0L to 3.3L

Discussion in 'Technical' started by matt, Nov 2, 2008.

  1. matt

    matt New Member

    Can you bore out a VG30DE block to a VG33 bore size?
     
  2. sabrewolf

    sabrewolf New Member

  3. kbro3

    kbro3 Baby oil technician.

    There's a Jun kit for 3.2 litres. A little expensive though!

    -Kirill
     
  4. Mitch

    Mitch Has one gear: GO

    Let's Do some math, shall we? :eek:
    :banned:

    Area of a circle = pi x radius squared.
    Volume of a cylinder = pi x radius squared X height of cylinder

    Bore (diameter) of a standard Z32 cylinder is 87mm, therefore radius = 43.5mm
    Area of the piston top is 5944.68mm squared

    Stroke of cylinder is 83mm
    5944.68x83= 493408.33mm squared, OR 493.4 Cubic Centimeters.

    Blah blah blah blah blah... more math

    If you were to keep the 83mm stroke of the engine (ie not change the crank or rods) to get 3.3L, each cylinder (6 of) would need to be 550 cc's. (3300cc's / 6 )

    This equates to a RADIUS increase of 1.8668mm (or 0.0735 inch / just over 7 hundredths of an inch.)

    From memory, 40 thousandths of an inch is a pretty significant re-bore. ie MUCH LESS than that.


    Suggest you DO NOT rebore to that level. You would most likely breach the water jackets around each cylinder.
     
  5. mungyz

    mungyz Well-Known Member

    It was done to at least one VG30DETT over here and it was not successful, the bores were left so thin they were flexing under boost and ..... well lets just say it was rubish.
    That engine ended up being sleeved and donated to a jet boat project (that could take years to get going and will only ever be a toy).

    Don't do it would be my advice. 89mm piston max.
     
  6. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Grab a VG33 bottom end and be happy with single cam heads :p
     
  7. Zagar

    Zagar New Member

    :eek:

    what he said :D
     
  8. matt

    matt New Member

    heads

    Could you replace the SOHC heads, with DOHC heads?
     
  9. CHILI

    CHILI Indestructable Target

    Talk to Hectik300.
    He'll get it done for $7.50, and you'll have it back same day.:p:zlove::nono:
     
  10. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Severe modification required. Not worth the hassle. I looked into it during my mental NA plans, too hard.
     
  11. rollin

    rollin First 9

    I looked into this before when i was interested in getting a VG33 block over from the states, i was also interested in a VG33R

    The only thing that dissapointed me was that the stroke is no different, its all in the bore.

    My understanding is that the blocks are identical. A vg30dett crank and rods will go into a VG33 block and a vg30 oil pump can be used.

    So this brings us to the bore 91.5 in the 33 and 87 in the 30.

    Its a significant increase in the bore, but since the blocks are the same it would lead me to belive that the 30 block could be taken out that far, or perhaps it needs to be lined. I havent seen a 33 block in person. Lining is not that expensive.

    Pistons, this is a stumbling point, VG33 pistons would obviously be useless, Vg33R may be useable for a turbo'd motor since they are designed for a blown motor, but i dont know how good they are.

    Aftermarket support for VG33's is non-existant so finding a set of upgraded aftermarket pistons would be a mission. Even getting oem replacement pistons would be hard.

    Of course you could get some pistons made specifically for it but id say they would be between 150 and 200 US each , plus shipping plus machine work on your block can make it quite an expensive proposition.


    I had been keeping this to myself a bit since its something i have been thinking of doing, but its out there now. lol
     
  12. Mitch

    Mitch Has one gear: GO

    What's the effect of the Bore to stroke ratio of an engine?
    I remember reading it was ideal to have them as close to 1:1 as possible? Can anyone elaborate quickly as an aside?
     
  13. rollin

    rollin First 9

    It effects N/a engines more than turbos. A undersquare motor (long stroke) will make alot of torque down low but will restrict the power at high rpms . An oversquare motor (big bore short stroke) will be lacking in low down torque but will deliver more power higher inteh rev range .

    A vg30 is already oversquare, a Vg33 would be heavily oversquare so it wouldnt be a torque monster but that suits turbod application more i think
     
  14. bushboyz

    bushboyz New Member

    Stroke It

    Why bore it when you can stroke it to 4.L
     
  15. rollin

    rollin First 9

    which crank and rods do you use
     
  16. WazTTed

    WazTTed Grease Monkey

    if u want anything bigger than 3.2 u need 2 get a custom stroker and sleeve the cylinder:eek::eek::eek:
     
  17. Legrath

    Legrath Member

    Where from? I've not seen a stroker kit bigger than 3.4
     
  18. rollin

    rollin First 9

    I think he may be getting mixed up with a VQ 4.0
     
  19. black baz

    black baz black 'n blue Bazemy

    .. but it will NOT have a rad cap ... free airfreshner, tho .....:rolleyes::D



     
  20. WazTTed

    WazTTed Grease Monkey

    if your serious about getting some big capacity. you could always buy a vq 35, swap in a forged stroker crank pistons rods and decompress the engine add turbos. all off the shelf items prepare 2 open your wallet !....

    or do a ls1 conversion, or a rb2/30 dett conversion. or 2jz. or ...........
     

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