going down the sub route, serious lack of bass in my car for a while. i am going to be custom making a box to sit where the rear seats are in my 2+2. now i often listen to fast beat dance music. and i don't want a sub that is going to waffle like alot of my mates ones. each beat kind of blends into one. currently i am thinking of an MTX amp and sub package. thinking of a 12" model, but i would like your suggestions on size, brands, models for my application. system is currently pioneer head, kicker splits front and pioneer 6X9's in the rear, which i will be fitting to the box next to the sub. cheers guys
By no means an expert Currently have 2 x 10" Peerless subs with a brainvibrator amp... cheapest of the top of the range packages... the Peerless 10"ers have out classed 99% of ALL 12" subs in the last 3 sound off comps If i had the cash, i would Buy Soundstream - Tarangulla series, the AMPs have that massive spider across the amp... soundstream look a million bucks, but almost charge as must. Boston Acqustic make American Bass subs ie MASSIVE bass but will tend to blend as its just so fat European subs have a softer bass but the volume is the same, just the music is a little clearer... ie much better for sympohy music, classical hall style, vocal that sort of think... Anyway i am over the moon with my peerless set up i went for 10" over 12" because of a number of factors ... however if i was replacing a large section like you are, i'd go 15" ??? my 2 cents Adrian
For faster punchier beats you'd want 2 x 10's Or if you want 12's would be better to put them in an isobarric chamber (Both facing into a centred sealed mid section but ported on each of the sides) That way when they both push in at the same time they snap back just as quick because of the massive pressure buildup in the centre. Running standard ported or unported 12's or 15's would be too droney for the type of music it sounds like you want to play. Everyone has there own flavour they like though... each to there own :thumbsup:
Get yourself a copy of the loudspeaker design cookbook or something similar. The type and size of enclosure makes all the difference to the sound your subs will reproduce. 10" subs can sound boomy and muddy with the wrong box just as easy as a 15" sub can sound clean and tight with the correct one. That said, two 10s will provide plenty of bass for most people and take up minimal space especially with most these days designed for small enclosures. If you want mega bass you can still get a clean sound from bigger drivers though.
i can take the confusion away james:thumbsup: Hey James, if u luv fast beat songs its ur best bet to buy a 10inch sub:thumbsup: 12" and 15" are slow and slower in bass reprduction and often results in a muffled, sometimes a very hmmm, distorted bass, which often skips a beat or two... As for brands, well kicker is good for the basic-average series, something better will be maybe MTX, AUDIOBAHN or JL AUDIO...now i do recommend that u run a good amp for running the two subs, no point in gettig a good sub if u going to be feeding it a crap signal rite...i work at JB HiFi at castle hill, so if u need any more info, or even if u wanna come buy ur stuff off me, juz come down, more than welcomed:thumbsup: (and i do know wot i m talking bout...not coz i work there, but coz its passion) kind regards, reggie
!SLY300! - can you post pics ? would love to see ur setup I can't post pics from work anymore cause of net nanny and when i try from home it takes forever Will try and post pics of mine asap, but i love to see how others have set theres up would be cool to check out Thanks Adrian
hmmmm, lol, its nothing special lol Hey Adrian, I don't have anything fancy really, i have a competition minidisc head unit, 6disc stacker, jvc splits in the front, phillips 4x6 in the bak, 1 12"sub in the back seat, 2 6"3ways in the boot, all running off a 5channel amp...she does the job, i actually have 2 12" pioneer subs(vccs series) in the original pioneer box, but unfortunately due to the space constraints our beautiful zeds have, i can't put them in...but i have seen much better systems dude, and i m sure u have a pretty good one urself:thumbsup:
i'm with the others, Multiple 10's will be nice and sharp bass, I had a Pair of JBL T-150's(15"s) and it was awesome, but needed the 10's to compliment them with the sharpness.. :thumbsup:
my vote is for the solbaric (square) 10" sub from kicker for afew reasons. Mainly cause they are a powerfull sub (600RMS from memory) and because they require an extremely small box to function well, and they don't cost the end of the earth. In my book, its a win win situation:thumbsup:
kicked solabaric subs r awesome everytime i m in car sound at work i always put the 12inch on, but then again thats because of the type of music i like, it definitely delivers deep clean bass...quite a heavy sub, at a not so heavy price:thumbsup:treat ur lady james:zlove: u kno she deserves the world:zlove: cheers, reggie
if you want quality sound then i still rckon its hard to go past an alpine system. they arent as expensive as some and yet provide loud,quick response even from the 2 12's i used to have in my last car. sure theres better brands but you have to pay a crap load more to get them,plus alpine is available where ever you go. whatever you pick if you dont have subs at the moment it will have to be a an improvement true?
Re: if you want quality sound then the best information you can get for car audio installations would have to be the forums on caraudioaustralia.com.au :thumbsup:
alpine is alrite as well... but i stay away from the stuff available here...alpine is an awesome brand, but its also heavily "pirated" or "copied" and alot of fakes are sold...so i steer clear unless i pay the rite price for it...usually it turns out to be wot u pay for is wot u get...but thats not to say alpine isn't good, they really do make awesome stuff:thumbsup: kind regards, reggie
splits up front are good and 2x10" would sound awesome and some good quality 12" powered by a good amp will be just as fast as most 10". but not 6x9's. they sound alright without subs i guess. but you are puting subs in so i would recomend having either 6" coaxials or splits. i really don't like the sound that 6x9's put out.
Re: alpine is alrite as well... sorry i couldnt resist to reply after that ahahaha go the alpine, ive always loved to have alpine gear and always will continue to have atleast one component of alpine gear...they really do have quality gear... ive got a mrd-500 mono amp...and boy does this amp deliver....it gives an easy figure of 500wrms at 2ohm, and alpine always note their gear lower than what it actually produces... its going to cost a lil more than expected if you wanting a nice quality sound...first off youve gotta dish out a nice headunit that is going to give off good voltage, because first of all this is whats going to give you the signal... you need some nice wiring to handle all this current you are going to be drawing, and not dishing enough cash on quality wires you really are forfeiting the quality of your gear... then you need some niceee speakers...i wouldnt bother going with the 6*9 speakers, generally because you are going for a sub and they really have poor quality sound compaired to components....components are the way to go, get a nice set of components and you will have some niceeee beats cleary expressed....6*9's are rated at like 60-70wrms and if your like me i love listening to quality tunes which 6*9's really cant dish out.... ok...amps...you can get some hi powered amp with a not well known brand and you might be able to push out the loudness but no way the quality if you had gone with a nice quality product which can wayy less wrms rates...i love alpine gear, ive got an alpine mrv-400 which runs 2 pairs of splits in the car....it really does give a quality signal and having the variable crossovers you can add/take etc bass, trebel and mids.... spend nice money on a sub amp...my friends have subs in their cars and the quality and loudness of the sub when putting into my amp completli blew them away.... all in all, you dont need a quality sounding system costing you alot of money...i have 3 cars with all nice quality systems in them and all of which ive purchased everything second hand in there....so just be smart about what your going to spend money on and check out the website i gave you...you will learn a heap about car audio as i have from the forums.... they have a for sale section and alot of them do sell quality gear... look out for brands including ALPINE BOSTON FOCAL AUDISON ROCKFORD FOSGATE ECLIPSE and the list goes on...these are all quality gear, and you will get alot more insight on anything you have queries in regards to on the caraudioaustralia.com.au website BAHAHA sorry for the write up...but i love caraudio p.s id go for some nice 10'z....ive got a single 12 in my car atm and i seriously hate the bass coming out of it...just cant handle it...i turn it down heaps but its just too much bass for my liking...put it this way the more area you have on a subs surface the more air its going to be pushing hence the more bass its going to produce....ill be changing to two 10'z soon but even though 2 10'z are going to have more surface than the one 12, its going to give me a more punchier, faster bass response...dont get fooled by the size of subs these days...there are many quality 10 inch subs out there that will destroy the 12inch quality and bass... 10- more punchier bass, faster response 12- bassaholic 15- organ killer
Focal front splits - can't go past them, powered by a good amp something like PPI, although expensive up front will reward you many-fold over time with sheer listening pleasure. Add to that high quality sub(s) Kicker / JL Audio or similar and a good mono block amp and you have the foundation for outstanding sound. Mind you, that's gettin' up to $3k assuming you can make your own enclosures and we haven't even selected a head unit / stacker / display. 1-2 x 10" subs are a good compromise between bass and responsiveness IMO. I have just 1 JL audio, but that's heaps. Cheers, Peter
ditch the 6x9's definately! depends on what sort of money you are looking at spending but i would suggest two 10's or a 10 and a 12.... if you designed it right, you could create an enclosure with a ported 12" sub with a lowpass filter which will handle the low and really BASSY frequencies (20 - 60Hz) then another box, sealed 10" with a filter of 60 onwards..... something like that anyway. That way you'll get the best of both worlds.... decent bass for some rnb and punch for dance! :thumbsup: I hate 6x9's.... they are shite!
after reading some of your comments did more research on the kicker solbaric, and they have interested me quite a lot. now i am more interested on some comments on 6X9's. they will be mounted into the same box as the sub, where the seats are in the 2+2. why are people saying to ditch them? should i put in another set of splits for the rear? cheers
how ya goin mate i would strongly suggest dont get 10"s they are for tight asses that cant afford good 12"si have just purchased my self 2 x 12" digital design subs running of a soundstream amp bit of money yeah but it kicks ass. previosly i had a alpine 12" type s on a kicker amp and my new stuff just pumps so much harder. i would recomend gettin rid of the 6x9s spend the money on good subs beacuse you will just creat a cross frequency of bass between the 6x9s and the subs. a 15" sub is for RnB bass so go for the 12 and if you want some designs for a box go to http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/default.asp they have design and tell you what sort of size port you will need depending on the ohms, frequency and the voice coil suspension bit of info good luck ill post some pics of my set up over the weekend when i get time :thumbsup::thumbsup:
ditch the 6x9s all together Hey James, 6x9's and 7x10's are only really any use if u don't have a sub and want some punch from ur music, with a sub and 6x9's u don't get music, u get alot of "noise"...which i m sure u are not after...I favour with all that have suggested splits, now many of u guyz out there will prolly disagree with me here, but I would put splits in the front and in the back as well...actually when u come into JB on sunday mate i'll show u the perfect rear speaker to put in the 300, its a 4" split system by audiobahn that i m sure will slot straight into the OEM slot...(now u have to rem that u neva sit in the back, that speaker is only to give u reverb/ambient sound) the reason i suggest splits is because (once they are hooked up to a decent amp that is) they have optimum clarity, which is what any music lover would be after from a system, and splits can also be quite bassy, but i'd suggest u need not worry bout bass if u have a sub in the car... i would say for a decent system for a 300, u need a good head unit (n i do mean good, preferably one with 3 rca outputs - front, rear, and sub), splits for the fronts (essential - i'd recommend JL Audio), rear splits (audiobahn ones i mentioned), a solarbaric 10" sub (since u like faster songs) and 2 amps, one mono block dedicated amp for the sub, and a 4channel amp for the splits... thats what i reckon...at the end of the day tho its ur choice bro... kind regards, reggie
