AFR and Timing with 98 Oct. Fuel??

Discussion in 'Technical' started by Mirage, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    Hi Guys, I just installed two WBO2 for my Zed.
    But I cannot find a good tuner for our Z32 in HK.
    So.... I try to get my Zed tune by myself. :D :br:
    I need some suggestion of the tuning.

    I use Shell 98 Oct. V power all the time and here is my timing maps and Fuel
    maps.

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    and here is my logs
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    I think it is still running too Rich for my tune. Should I lean the AFR to 11.5?
    and any problem with my timing map?

    I'm targeting to run 14-15psi with stock turbo, stock injectors fuel pump.
     
  2. rollin

    rollin First 9


    i would lean to 11.5 and reduce the full load timing, i have lost a few engines to detonation....
     
  3. Z32 TT

    Z32 TT Active Member

    Your timing Map is too aggressive
     
  4. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    Is your CAS set to 15 degrees? If it is that timing map is too advanced. I'm running 16-17 degrees at full load on 17psi.
     
  5. Bob Lloyd-Jones

    Bob Lloyd-Jones Oldreverbob

    Twin Turbo 300ZX run best at a AF ratio around 12.1AF.through to 7200RPM.
     
  6. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    I do think my CAS is 15degree. At leaset conzult shown is 15degree. =/

    The timing map is come from Japan ECU come with the car.
    I did not touch with the full load timing.

    But I think I better to reduce timing to 17 degrees and lean the fuel and boost to 17psi. =)
     
  7. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    I had a Japanese tuned ECU (SWAT chip), the timing map was very similar to yours. I would just reduce the high load timing back to around 16-17 degree's, get it to around 11.5AFR as its very safe and boost to 16psi or so. Also where are you measuring AFR's, at the tail pipe or before the cat? Readings will vary depending on this.
     
  8. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    Let me try to lean the fuel to 12.1~ thanks~ =)
     
  9. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    I did put the WBO2 in stock NB sensor location with innovate O2 heat sink.
    I don't really know why the Japanese ECU have such these aggressive timing...
    But let me reduce it and boost to 16psi when full load. =)
    And let me try 12.1 AFR~ =)
     
  10. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

    Check with a timing light. Consult will only assume it is set correctly.
     
  11. Fists

    Fists Well-Known Member

    ideally you will also check that the timing mark on the pulley is correct too, with a factory pulley this is a formality, with some aftermarket pulleys it's more important.
     
  12. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    I changed to aftermarket UD pulley. Ralcon RZ one, before I get it on my Zed, I check the timing mark is correct. =) let me try with the timing light and see if it is 15 degrees.
     
  13. Z32 TT

    Z32 TT Active Member

    Fatten it to 11.5:1 you will loose power (small amount) but worth it. Put you sensor further down the exhaust aswell it easy if you can weld. Well done for doing this yourself you will learn heaps but get addicted hahaha
     
  14. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    I copy someone timing map like this.
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    I lose some high-end power. but gain a bit power at the low-end because this map advanced some timing on 800-1600rpm.
    I will try to lean out the fuel tonight and see what will happen on my Zed. :zlove:
     
  15. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    Spent a night for tuning, I lean the fuel to 11.8 when it full load. :zlove:

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    will try to give her some boost these few days. :D
     
  16. SRB-2NV

    SRB-2NV #TEAMROB

    Thats fine for 16-17psi
     
  17. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    After the AFR and timing tuning, I need help...
    My Zed seem normal when I do the waste gate duty cycle
    ( up to around 8.9psi, AFR sitting at 11.9 and it is stable )
    but when I try to give some boost close to 14psi,
    my Zed suddenly lean out the fuel, it is start from Left band of Cyl.
    ( please forget about the nistune naming... when I discount innovate MTS, nistune named RAFR for my Left WBO2. ) the injector duty cycle is seem normal.

    like this
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    and when I keep push it with lowing down a bit boost level.
    I find out AFR lean out from left band and right band as well.
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    and it will suddenly lose all power, and power drop like hit the wall. :eek:
    Is my Fuel Pressure Regulator/damper problem or my fuel pump?
    I really worry about run lean at high loading... :(
     
  18. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    one more question, if I put Walbro E85 400 litre ph Fuel Pump in tank.
    Do I need to bypass Fuel Pump control unit? or bypass relay?
    or just find a way to fit it in tank and leave Fuel Pump Control Unit work as is?
     
  19. Mirage

    Mirage Member

    Wait... If my Zed got ignition problem... Fuel didn't burn at all. All Oxygen still remain in Cyl. And go thur AFR with exhaust gas.
    Will it be possible to run Lean like this?

    Because my Zed is still using 1.1mm spark plug.@@!
     
  20. syntax_X

    syntax_X Zed Head

    If your leaning out under high boost on that map its a K-Value issue I think.

    also gap to .80 before doing any more runs.
     

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