vic red plate scheme

Discussion in 'Z Related - Non Technical' started by lcram, Jun 2, 2018.

  1. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    So last week spent all week with vic roads well not all week, my car is an 89 jap import TT, but was imported in 2004, it has no compliance plate fitted, as far as vic roads are concerned my car will qualify for the 25 year red Plate scheme in 2029 o_O at which time it will probably cease to exist. but they are more than happy to keep my car fully registered go figure,,
     
  2. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

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    They're a pretty special bunch...
     
  3. lidz

    lidz Well-Known Member

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    Wow, frustrating week I'm sure! Possible to try a different victoads branch?
    Which club have you gone through too? This is something I need to try and sort soon!
     
  4. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

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    Why doesn't the vehicle have a compliance plate fitted?
    This could be a major stumbling block.

    Step 2: Check the vehicle eligibility
    A club permit can be issued to the vehicles in the following categories.



    • Veteran vehicles – manufactured before 1 January 1919 - NOT APPLICABLE
    • Vintage vehicles – manufactured after 31 December 1918 and before 1 January 1931 - NOT APPLICABLE
    • Classic and Historic vehicles - manufactured after 31 December 1930, but more than 25 years before the date of the application for a club permit. - A 1989 built vehicle is in this category as it is 29 years old.
    These categories can include trailers, heavy vehicles, left hand drive vehicles and modified vehicles such as street rods. Replicas of vehicles in the categories above may also be issued with a club permit.

    A club permit vehicle must comply with the Vehicle Standards, appropriate to the date the vehicle was manufactured, contained in Schedule 2 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009.

    A club permit cannot be issued to:

    • a currently registered vehicle
    • a vehicle that is recorded on the Victorian or an interstate Written-off Vehicles Register as a statutory write-off
    • a vehicle that has a sheriff's office or hoon sanction
    • a vehicle that is recorded as stolen.
    We may refuse to issue a club permit:

    • if it is not satisfied that the vehicle is safe to use on a road or road related area or
    • if a current club permit already exists for the same vehicle.
    Checking the vehicle's safety
    To assist clubs with inspecting vehicles and determining whether they are safe for use on the road, we have developed a Guideline Vehicle Safety Inspection Checklist [PDF 551kb]. Please note that this checklist is for guidance only and should be used at the club's discretion; it does not replace the requirement for the Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form or any requirement for a Certificate of Roadworthiness.
    Calculating the vehicle's manufacture date
    • If your vehicle is fitted with an Australian compliance plate, the plate date is the date of manufacture
    • If your vehicle is fitted with an import compliance plate or has no compliance plate, the date of manufacture is determined by a manufactures build plate, a chassis number or documentary evidence from the manufacturers records
    • If your vehicle does not meet either of the above requirements, we may determine the manufacture date based on information sourced from our registration database, historical data, or evidence from our vehicle safety and compliance expert.
     
  5. TWIN TERROR

    TWIN TERROR Active Member

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    • If your vehicle is fitted with an Australian compliance plate, the plate date is the date of manufacture
    • If your vehicle is fitted with an import compliance plate or has no compliance plate, the date of manufacture is determined by a manufactures build plate, a chassis number or documentary evidence from the manufacturers records
    • If your vehicle does not meet either of the above requirements, we may determine the manufacture date based on information sourced from our registration database, historical data, or evidence from our vehicle safety and compliance expert.

    As above. 1 - I assume it has the Nissan build plate on it.
    2 - Just talk to their vehicle safety and compliance expert.
    Should be easy as ( oh shit I just remember it's Vic Roads you are dealing with ) Good luck.

    As lidz said maybe try another Vic Roads office. When I put my Zed on club plates last year it really surprised me just how easy it was. As far as not being able to get club plates on an already registered car I just hand the old plate and cancelled the rego at the same time. Also talk to your selected club as they will be able to help as I'm sure your not the first one to strike this.
    Cheers
    Dave
     
  6. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    Thanks Dave and others
    Nissan Aust. cant help me, they do not have records of imports. Nissan fast says its 11/89 they wont accept that, I cant speak Japanese so didn't try japan, it does have the nissan build plate and vin number they wont accept that.
    I dont know why it doesn't have one, the importer doesn't seem to be around any more, the vic road branch phoned the red plate mob while I was there and they flatly refused to accept this vehicle into the scheme. The Car Enthusiast club I am in don't have a problem accepting the car, It is "Vic Roads main red plate division" that wont allow it, not the Vic Road Branch. A member in our club has a 300z on red plates. The problem arose because its was a grey import there was no identifying date of manufacture compliance plate.
    any way I will jump on the phone again this week and see who else I can talk to
    cheers all
     
  7. MikeZ32

    MikeZ32 das Über member

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    Maybe they are trying to cut down cars on the scheme or whichever Vicroads branch you are local to just doesn't like Japanese stuff?

    My Z is a grey import, 10/89 build and it does not have an Aussie compliance plate. A such it goes by manufacturer year and I've had it on club plates since Jan 2014 when it was considered as 25 years old (on paper, officially it was still 10 months off since I checked fast)

    Have an '88 S13 Silvia as well, same deal, no compliance plate and wasn't an issue, went straight on club plates 2 years ago.
     
  8. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

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    Is the vehicle currently registered, or has it ever been registered in Australia?
    If it has, it would have to have been issued with a compliance plate prior to registration.
    If not, you will probably need compliance certification.
    You could try going to the spare parts department of a Nissan dealer with your VIN & asking if they could print out the details of the date of manufacture from Nissan FAST for you.
    If they'll do it, chances are the Nissan dealership name would be included on the printout.
    If that's the case, you have verification from Nissan of the date of manufacture of your vehicle.
     
  9. rob260

    rob260 Moderator Staff Member

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    It should have s manufacturers ID plate (not the compliance plate} that has the date of manufacture etc. This is normally riveted to the upper Tie just in front of the radiator.

    In NSW it is the responsibility of clubs, via a designated scrutineer, to ensure that vehicles are eligible for inclusion as a historic vehicle. Is this the case in your state? Maybe you can get something from Nissan as @East Coast Z suggested and then have an official from your club put something in writing?

    I guess this (provenance & documentation) is something of a risk with personal imports.
     
  10. MikeZ32

    MikeZ32 das Über member

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    Rob is correct, manufacturer plate is sufficient last time I checked.

    15 year old imports (old scheme that was prominent back in 2004/2005) do not not need and never had local compliance plates which SEVS imports require. OP mentioned the car was imported 2004, no compliance plate, highly likely it was under this scheme so should not need one.

    Technically the '88 Silvia falls under 1988 and older scheme so also doesn't need a compliance plate.

    In Victoria it's also the club scrutineer whom approves application once you show a valid roadworthy certificate. Vicroads' role is to hand out the plates but there are few pencil pushers behind desks that are real pains to deal with.

    When I tried to collect my plates for the Z the person behind the counter knocked the car back with a total bullshit reason: "the car is imported, unknown build date so even though Jan is when it qualified, gotta wait until Feb before you can get plates". I reviewed all the rules and that is clearly not true, I just went to a different Vicroads and got my plates same day no argument.
     
  11. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

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    You'd need to speak with the scrutineer of the club you have joined or intend to join, as they've probably encountered this problem before.

    Two possible areas that could be problematic.

    No.1
    The current standards, the Third Edition ADRs, are administered by the Australian Government under the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989.
    The Act requires all road vehicles, whether they are newly manufactured in Australia or are imported as new or second hand vehicles, to comply with the relevant ADRs at the time of manufacture and supply to the Australian market.
    When a road vehicle is first used on Australian roads the relevant state or territory government's legislation generally requires that it continue to comply with the relevant ADRs as at the time of manufacture.

    No.2
    It is an offence to supply to the market (i.e. to sell for use on a public road) a vehicle that has been imported for use in transport but does not meet the Australian Design Rules or is not fitted with an Identification Plate, Used Import Plate or Personal Import plate.

    Offenders may be prosecuted and fined in accordance with Part 4 of the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989
     
  12. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    thanks guys I have just penned an email to Nissan,, so I will see what they can do.
    I will try to answer your questions.
    it has the Nissan Id plate, it does not have a year of manufacture on it
    it has the importers engraved plate dated 2004 Which says it is 2/89 (not acceptable)
    The club scrutineer has no input, you are required to have a Victorian roadworthy
    The car was registered in QLD and I have had it registered and driven it daily for 5 years
    I can get a roadworthy no problem

    "Quote from east coast"
    The Act requires all road vehicles, whether they are newly manufactured in Australia or are imported as new or second hand vehicles, to comply with the relevant ADRs at the time of manufacture and supply to the Australian market.

    I believe this is the issue, the import date is 2004 and they say this is the date it came into Aust and was complied that is why they wont accept the car, although it is an 89 it was complied in 2004.
    perhaps in hind sight I shouldn't have mentioned the import plate probably wouldn't have had a problem.
    stay tuned I haven't given up yet.
     
  13. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

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    In the initial post you stated "it has no compliance plate fitted".
    Now you're telling us "it has the importers engraved plate dated 2004 Which says it is 2/89 (not acceptable)"
    What's the VIN?
     
  14. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    6U9000GCZ32506816
    sorry about saying it didnt have a plate, of course it had the importers plate dated 2004 I cant go any further it seems, Nissan Aust are no help, Nissan dealer also cant help, they use the vic roads register to input data, vic roads have complied at 2004... bummer
     
  15. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    it is now sorted , I spoke to vic roads direct and they assured me it is ok for red plate just need a rwc
    Thanks all
     
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  16. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

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    Re: " Nissan fast says its 11/89"

    The VIN when using Nissan FAST is GCZ32-506816.

    The VIN when dealing with State motor vehicle registries is 69U000GCZ506816.

    If you supplied 69U000GCZ506816 to Nissan it would be meaningless to them.

    According to Nissan FAST GCZ32-506816 was built in July 1989, not November.
    The model number should be KRGZ32JASHE7
    It should be a Targa Top 2+2
    The colour code should be 732
    Equipped with a TT engine, automatic transmission & standard G code trim.

    Glad you got it sorted

     
  17. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    thank you booked in for rwc on thursday
     
  18. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    had the motor washed today in prep for the rwc now the alt, hicas and light failure are on in the dash I assume they have stuffed the alternator what do you think.? I checked the charge rate is is 14V, 12 something with the motor off the charge light has a faint glow tried to blow air into it no go..
     
  19. East Coast Z

    East Coast Z Well-Known Member

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    If you are getting a voltage reading around 14.0VDC with the engine running, the alternator should be OK.
    You'd need to check the ripple voltage to be certain.
    If I was in your position, I'd drive the car around & hopefully heat generated from the engine will dry things out.
    Probably best not to stray too far from home in case things get worse.
    Obviously water has gotten into something it shouldn't have.
    Time to check electrical plugs & terminations in the engine bay.

    Did you use a high pressure washer to clean your engine?
     
  20. lcram

    lcram O'le Fella

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    yes high pressure, I have air dried all of the connectors visible, I have got to drive it 20km for the rwc.. pulled the globes for the rwc everything is working as it should so mechanically its fine Ide doubt the mechanic will even notice.
    Thanks
     

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