Old ECU worthless??

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  1. jellybeans

    jellybeans Active Member

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    I recently spoke to Haltech and i had it 30 years ago from Microtech. As soon as they have a new model they say how old their other products are and don't want to support it. I have instructions that give specs that they say it cant do or they say i don't know thats a bit before my time. It's like dealing with apple. "Oh you have the 6s yeah the new X is better" I didn't ask you about buying your new product. I have questions about the one you already sold me and that your offering me shit service on. Does it seem likely i will buy your new product so i can be in the exact same situation in 3 years? I don't need the latest features, if it was the best 3 years ago why is it now worthless and basically unusable?
    I could be totally wrong their old ECU's might very well be shit as they suggest.
     
  2. Madcow

    Madcow Active Member

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    What ECU is it exactly? Haltech or Microtech? Which model?
     
  3. jellybeans

    jellybeans Active Member

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    I had it with microtech when they released the D4. I had a previous model that was actually more capable. This was before microtech was much more than a prototype alloy box. Now i don't wish to say anything bad about microtech. They were good to me and i received great service from them. Only that they did not want to support their older models.
    Haltech models i have are E11v2, and a platinum pro plug in which they claim is old now.
    Spoke to haltech on the phone a couple of times about the e11 and basically didn't get the how can we help feeling. Don't remember the exact questions i had about the e11 but they were straight from the instruction manual and received i don't know its 20 years old. In my job i have to know about all our machines and some are from the 60's. I may have exaggerated the shit service part what i really mean is lack of knowledge about their past products and lack of suggestions on perhaps an experienced and long term staffer or tuner who would know.
    Was offered a new elite to solve any issues.
     
  4. MagicMike

    MagicMike Mod and Event Coord [QLD] Staff Member

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    E11 is rubbish and will leave you stranded. Platinum pro is still relevant.

    Ideally you should work out what you need an ECU to do and go from there.
     
  5. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

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    Take it to a tuner and pay them to fix your issue. Not too many electronics manufactures supply free help to end users for equipment that is a decade old.

    And why were you ringing them about something that was in the instruction manual?
     
  6. jellybeans

    jellybeans Active Member

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    Did haltech sell it as rubbish or as a tip top product? if they have released rubbish in the past how can i trust them to not do it now? Run injectors and ignition. nothing fancy not looking to make any 2 step youtube videos, launch control or flat shifts.
     
  7. jellybeans

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    Because they said it couldn't but after i got hold of a manual that said it could i was confused. Technical questions generally get answered by the manufacturer rather than a distributer.
     
  8. Chrispy

    Chrispy Pretentious Upstart

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    It's reasonably entry level as far as full standalones go, but it's not rubbish. I know plenty of people who have had success with E11's and Platinum Pro's. What's your actual issue? Or do you just want to have a whinge?
     
  9. MagicMike

    MagicMike Mod and Event Coord [QLD] Staff Member

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    Lots of reported issues with E11's just dropping tunes, leaving you stranded.
     
  10. jellybeans

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    Im thinking of buying a new ECU and i want to buy one that will last for a very long time, maybe 30 years like the Nissan ones do. I don't want fancy features just reliability, and drivability and on going support.
    I bought both my cars with Haltechs fitted and working well as far as i can tell. But i'm not sure i want to start paying to retune the e11 after i make some changes and the platinum is a plug in and i'm not sure if it will work without the original loom and sensors. So i thought it would be ok if i spoke to Haltech?

    E11's dropping tune? yeah well that is no good to me.
     
  11. MagicMike

    MagicMike Mod and Event Coord [QLD] Staff Member

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    You really need to work out exactly what you want from an ECU, and then pick one.

    The last 5 - 10 years has seen some great advancements in ECU power and features from all brands (and some new brands). You can't really go wrong with any of the main brands current offerings.

    But none of them will be supported for the next 30 years.
     
  12. Madcow

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    Sounds like chipping a standard ECU will be what you want.
    Nothing fancy, run all the factory kit and you can still change fuel and ignition.


    You will have 2 problems buying an ecu and expecting it to run for ever:

    1) The manufacturer will stop supporting it, as you have found (even TVs and computers you dont get a 30 year support, I cant think of an electronic device you would?)

    2) if its still running in 10-15 years, you will go to a tuna and they will laugh at you, there is no way anyone would want to touch it.
     
  13. jellybeans

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    Now i don't really expect 30 years of support but im surprised that i keep getting the "its old and you cant expect support" on items that are 10 years old. Are you suggesting that no-one who tuned haltechs or sold them ten years ago is still in the industry or even still works at haltech? Where are the experts that are in every other industry with a lifetime of experience? I cant see why it is a given that "no tuna would touch it."
    Now this assumes that the old equipment is of high quality and won't be dropping tune while he's trying to tune it.

    What is it about a 10 year old Haltech that means it can loose its tune while nissan computers from 30 years ago are still going strong? This comes back to my original question " Old ECU worthless?" if they were never high quality because of poor components, poor construction or poor software then i agree it's time to move on.
    Can i assume that as well as having newer features that newer ECU's are now built to last with the best of components? Or is this why Motec etc cost the big bucks, they are the real deal and the rest are just cheap and nasty throw away items?
     
  14. jellybeans

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    Just to clear something up. While i didn't get the response i wanted from Haltech i would like to point out that both their 3 year old and 10 year old ECU's appear to me to be working without issue.
     
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    Platinum Pro is still the basis for their plug in range of ECUs. The current PP have a few updates (as you would expect with the rapid rate at which computer tech advances) but it’s by no means an obsolete unit.

    Did Haltech specifically tell you that that it is now redundant?
     
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    E11v2 might as well have been someone else's product. platinum getting old, redundant no.
     
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    rob260 Moderator Staff Member

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    Well the E11 is a discontinued product... although their website states that they carry parts and can service this ECU. If you are dead keen on finding somebody to play with it take it to Adam Niesh at JEM, but you may find that after the per hour for a specialist that the advice to update wasn’t so far off the mark.
     
  18. jellybeans

    jellybeans Active Member

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    with the e11 i totally agree. It could be that they were trying to steer me in the right direction without saying it in so many words. It seems that haltech and forum members pretty much agree that it's not worth the effort. Maybe i should have been looking at the overall message rather than picking over small details and over analysing them? I have to be diplomatic and careful with words at work so i don't see why it would be any different elsewhere.
     

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