I don't recall you being so vocal or concerned for other peoples safety, when virtually ALL the other aftermarket UCA's for Z32's failed in a similar fashion(or are you only interested in UAS produced ones)?
Can't argue with that(although the only comparison I can imagine between JM and I, involves furry balls).:rofl::rofl:
To stop all the speculatin and mud slingin can we have a simple statement from UAS please. I understand from statements made by others that people with broken arms are being taken care of, but they7 are not doing themsleves any favours by the deafening slince from them on this issue
Don't worry about weight saving and over engineer them using some thing like they use in excavators solid steel inside a think tube like telescopic with holes right through for a think steal pin for adjust ability. or it could be threaded solid steel bar 40mm think on one side of the arm with a lot of bite in a very think threaded tube on the other side just means you can't adjust it unless you take the wheel side off to twist it in or wind it out but still has the pivot idea i think that will work. and also get a engineer to go over it and approve it for ROAD use exceeding oem strengths.
I THING you have no idea how much it would cost to get approval for road use(Many times the cost of the entire vehicle when brand new). You are also overlooking the fact that the arms in question WERE designed by Engineers.
OK OK OK we get it you want everyone to take them out - well done you came up with a plan! a very simple reactive thoughtless plan but a plan never the less. Thing is it's not over to you to tell people what to do with their cars is it. You are not only quoting what I have said you are trying to argue your point because you think I am in disagreement with your plan. You are also assuming that you understand what my safety standards are - seeing as you are so full of knowledge then please tell us all exactly what my action has been over the 15 years I have been involved with Z32s when it comes to these top arms and the issues being had. You should know after all seeing as you can say "don't judge others by your own standards" this assumes you know my standards and you clearly do not have a fricken clue! Anyone who sat and read the posts without some sort of emotional charge would see that I am not disagreeing with your simpleton plan and that I am simply making suggestions for finding the cause of the fault. People can take them out if they choose - yay for you clever boy! that does not find the cause of the problem and does not help the community as a whole does it? sure it may avoid some arms bending but what about those who would not have had a problem? doesn't do them any favours does it? Open your eyes buddy and stop with the fighting already I am trying to help people not stir shit nor tell people what to do with parts they chose to purchase and fit with their own free will. Maybe if there was less crap like this thrown around there would be more useful information discussed openly on the forum. I have conversed with UAS as to other possible causes of these failures to help them and the customers, I would post that here except for the fact I would have to argue the point with idiots who do not understand and would pick sides based on emotions and friendships rather than facts and figures.
I have always been concerned about safety, mine and others. If you look at the products that I have brought to the forum, you will see a thread, wiper blades/springs/shocks all products that significantly increase safety. Most of which I made very little on (the springs cost me actually if you must know and I have several sets still that were required for the price I got, so please buy them) I wanted these for myself and though other forum members could benefit, I new the wiper blades were going to be a pain in the arse to do, making less then $10 a set, buy the time I brought required materials to wrap and the time to do so and then numerous visits to the post office, they too probably cost me, (btw I still have these to, please buy) but I was so put of buy the wiper headlight combination on rainy nights that i sought a solution and made it available at the best price to members. Any one who has these will testify to significant wet weather safety improvement, something I am quiet proud of, seems silly but where ever I am I try to contribute more then I take, this forum has been of huge benefit to me and i appreciate it. I have never been a fan of any aftermarket structural suspension components, initially I was wtf for ? whats wrong with teh OEM ones ?, as wide ranging failures of various parts and brands become apparent I have increased my position on this, also the perception that all failures are reported on the forum, here's one that I cant find any follow up on what happened, http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=293250 , the picture is bad enough, but when you realise we see only a fraction of what happens reported here, you start realising the seriousness of the situation. Since the holy grail has been in the works some 2 years plus I stood back through the trials and watched, its difficult to take this subject on when you are not an engineer or a mechanic, but its become so blindingly obvious and people still persisted, when a failure occurred with some one I know personally, we arnt mates but I know BoneZx it was getting close to home, initially I said one failure out side of warranty, "what do you want', but when it became public that it was more then a single failure that had been known about with out public disclosure, I decided to have a bat. UAS/rob260 has nothing to do with it, I have a great deal of respect for John and appreciate his large contribution to the Z32 community and forum as rob260 has done also, what I think of John and rob260 has nothing to do with what I think about this situation, what I am thinking about is the greater good and safety for myself and others. I hope this answers your questions.
I understand some of what you are trying to say(but why the Hell WOKBURNER's 2 yr old accident is being resurrected is a complete mystery to me). Are you attempting to somehow suggest that it is due to these current arms(if so, then you are way off course)? You say you have respect for JP and yet you allude to there being some sort of "cover-up" surrounding these arms(again you're wrong, but the finger has been pointed). I am one of the people who has been directly affected by this failure(so are Dinoz and Bones)so if anyone is entitled to be critical of the component, I respectfully suggest it is us, not you. So perhaps you should allow UAS/JP/Rob260 to get on with the job of attending to the problem, it's cause and solution.
Im not stopping anyone from fixing any problems that have existed for at least 6 months. I think communication from people in the know about this problem has been appalling. The reference to the WOKBURNER thread was about components failing and no information being posted as to what happened, this sort of information should be posted as a matter of priority IMHO as it usually relates to aftermarket components. If I respect someone it doesn't mean that I think they are perfect and attempt to support them no matter what they do, that would be one eyed and make my opinions slanted and inaccurate, others may call it loyalty to do so, I call it being someones bitch. I have pretty much said what I have to say on the matter, unless more information comes to light and there has been very little of that in recent posts, I will watch with interest.
Ok guys, looks like we have a few (and equally valid) pretty strong opinions, but lets make sure this thread stays as on topic as possible without developing into a flame war. I have a interest in this as well as a user of a couple different types of FUCA's as well, so would love to see a resolution of some sort....but we will see..........
I have the UAS pivoting upper arms. I have checked them yesterday and they dont look bent so I am assuming they are ok. When I bought them I didnt realise there were two differant types but I dont think it would have mattered to me. But I am just slightly worried about them now, rightly or wrongly. Do you think UAS, or somebody in the know, could just explain a little bit about whats going on and whats happening about these arms?:zlove:
No i do not have any idea please elaborate why would it cost that much when you can engineer a whole car for road use for $1200 who are these engineers that designed these arms just would like to know who my family can sue if they fail doing 110 on the m5 because i wont be able to. "race use only" sounds like a con to me when i bought these from john him self first i questioned him if there strong enuf because they didn't look very compared to others arms "really strong" and he mentioned the engineers, will it be street legal "yes" will i have any issues with engineer my car with them on "NO" now that would of been the perfect time to tell me there for race use only wouldn't you think.
IMO, anyone involved in the desgin ,manufacting ,selling off the arms was to make a public statement might be worryed about the legal side off things. But posting a service notice to inspect and report back, might give a better idea off why some fail, even offer to inspect cars themselves FOC ross
I read most of these posts and have been flat out with getting my car and others ready for the Datsun Nissan Nats. Anti dive is attained either by moving the forward pivot point, being the radius rod up or raising the rear which I did with my roll centre changes. About the pivoting control arms, l after 5 years of racing using them in my car they are still fine, as well as many other cars. Although if they are adjusted out a long way for positive camber they have more leverage and more thread exposed and can bend. As discussed pretty much all bushes and after market arms seem to fail some straight away. Some cars with the same aftermarket arms as others fail, whilst others don't. Nissan had a design fault with the R32 and Z32, drastically improved with the R33 and R34 with top A arm. although still utilised the silly King pin in the upright. Later they wisely did away with it this silly set up with 350Z and later models using outer ball joint upper and lower and top and bottom A arm, so no bind.
Your recollection of what you were told, is in direct opposition to the information given to me by John(and given the history of my experiences with such items)I would suggest that this was foremost in my mind at all times. It is a mute point, but the items are in the "For off-road use only" NOT "For race use only" category. Your assertion that such labeling is a "con", is hugely offensive to all concerned IMHO.
A very valid comment, devoid of the hysteria displayed elsewhere. Totally agree with this line of reasoning.
