TwinZ Design Type 2 Rear Bumper/Diffuser for 2+0 and 2+2

If only it was for a 2+2

 

STOP!!!

This is the first line in the first thread organising this GB:

Hey guys, finally able to start a Group Buy going for these. The bumpers are coming direct from TwinZ to us via Unique Auto Sports. The bumpers are FRP fibreglass and include rear diffiser as pictured.

My understanding of this transaction was this (based on the above)

AUS300ZX members are buying en mass rear bars from Twin Zed Directly and UAS (as a business) is collecting payments, distributing and doing admin (for which they should be paid) - I will call UAS function a service.

Therefore the invoicing I believe is incorrect from UAS. UAS are providing a service in this case and GST should only be charged on the service fee not the total purchase price as the purchase occured between us the zedders and twin z who is in peru and doest charge GST.

My example (made up figures)

GB participants paid to Twinz 600 for the rear bars, shipping from Peru to Australia was 150 per bar, by the time the bars had landed UAS had incurred additional fees of 150 in direct costs including their time. GST should be 10% of UAS service fee and all other cost past on to the GB participants at cost, not 10% of 900. If transport from UAS to us domestically is 100 these charges are passed on and there should be no need to charge GST as the provider of the shipping should have included it already in the 100.

I think this is wrong

Price of Bar + Price of shipping (Peru - AU) + UAS costs + UAS organiser fee X 10% = GST (the domestic freight GST is levied by the supplier, UAS just pass on the cost)

Should only charge GST on UAS service fee and all other costs past on, the bar and shipping from peru to Australia should be GST free any costs incurred in australia by uas should already contain gst.

Am i crazy or does anyone get where im coming from?

 

I haven't recieved an invoice yet so can't compare.

Rob, sounds like he is questioning the amount of GST on the invoice as since you guys are not selling them and are merely a middle man, he doesn't think GST should apply for the full price. I have no knowledge of how GST works so can't comment on the accuracy.

 

Ok ok

you buy something online from the US, the post it to you. Do you pay GST? Answer No.

If UAS purchased from Twinz with their own cash, imported them with their own cash then sold to the public then GST is paid on price they charge. As per normal with any other business.

But as UAS didnt do this, this thread was in the GB section not in the Business for sale and as per my lat post, UAS were a facilitator, an administrator not and import/distributor/retailer.

The sale was between the buyer (GB participants) and twinz, its just the leg work was done by UAS (for which they should get something, ie its a service they performed)

1. GB Participant buys from Twin Z = No Gst (UAS act as representative for us, not the source of funds)

2. Twinz - UAS shipping = No Gst, cost past on in full to GB participant.

3.UAS paid Customs, clearing, AQIS, final delivery charges, etc = When these charges were paid GST was already included, the cost past on to buyers.

Service charge by UAS = Final Price - 3(GST already paid) -2 (Gst exempt) 1 (Gst exempt) TIMES 10%.

If Uas is acting as an agent instead of a importer/retailer which i Believe is the case, then we pay GST only on the the service UAS provided as the rest was done abroad and GST isnt chargable.

It all comes down: was UAS acting as our agent or where UAS importing under their own name to resell later to make a profit?

I think they were acting as an agent. The bar itself and the shipping from Peru is exempt from GST and is the vast majority of the total cost why should GST be charged on it? GST goes to the government anyway not like its UAS's money.

 

my point is simple

FIRST POINT

Is UAS acting as an agent or an importer in this transaction?

The difference is at a gues 50/60 bucks. So Im going to pay anyway cause it aint worth the effort.

The fact it is a GB and post in GB section implies they are acting on the buyers behalf (usually GB's are done so the organiser makes no profit, its a socialistic endeavour). If they are doing a service which is organising the GB, ie GST is payable on the service not on the item as the Item was bought abroad where no GST is payable.

If they are importing for resale then they have to charge GST on the final sale amount, which is what they have done.

The first post can be interprited either way:

Implies UAS is an agent: "The bumpers are coming direct from TwinZ to us via Unique Auto Sports"

ie the deal is struct between Twinz (supplier) to Us (customer) UAS is a organiser (Service provider/facilitator for hire)

Implies UAS is an importer/retailer: that a final price was quoted for the whole transaction, however its not uncommon for agents to give a final figure and allow a margin of error for any unexpected costs, if they come under budget their profit is better.

SECOND POINT.

UAS is charging 88 GST, this is payable to the government which is in turn offset by the GST UAS pay on all their inputs for all their other activities in a given period. The costs on the Australian side of this GB incur GST, these costs are passed onto us entirely, cost are a credit that UAS can claim against the GST they collected, except the GST incurred in this transaction is paid by us yet UAS get the GST tax credit. UAS can make use of the tax credit which will make this transaction more profitable for them (where as an individual cant) however the cost that generates them a tax credit isnt paid by them.

Final point , just a passing note, do you know there are approximately 37,000 pages of legislation/law that relate to tax in this country? where i work depending on how you word things and whether you put the cart before the horse or vice versa can have a big impact on the bottom line. Does the forum have rules as what constitutes a GB? how about GB = no profit for organiser done for 300zx community at cost, FSBB = profit for organiser, can have what ever margin they want assuming they can attract customers?

 

But UAS aren't doing the group buy, Rob is, & as far as I can tell he's making no profit. Rob has taken the time to organise a group buy to purchase a number of twinz bars via the australian agent, UAS.

If you were to purchase an item via importmonster from yahoo auctions japan then even though all they do is organise shipping & payment you have to pay gst on the whole lot, its just the way our lovely government works.

Personally I'm just looking forward to getting this invoice so I can get this thing in my garage where it can sit alongside all the other parts I haven't got time to fit

Russ still interested in group shipping?

 

How much for the spare 2+0 bar including freight (send it with Raheens )sent to Brisbane?

 

I dont really care to be honest

I just want my rear bar. but if you think about it.

For me a GB is no profit for the organiser, meaning the participants must have trust the organiser is not over inflating anything.

This post should have been in FSBB. I would love to see a complete break down of the

- wholesale price paid to twinz for the rear bars
- the shipping price
- all the charges incurred getting the container off the ship and to UAS shop
- final delivery cost from UAS to each participate.

Who knows how UAS pro ratered the shipping, I do believe they are stocking these items in their shop, so there is mixing of the GB and JPs business activities, did the GB subsidize the shipping on JP's stock or vice versa? if its a true GB why are we being charged GST on the Bars given that none was paid on them.

GB = total cost all in / number of participants, cant say that is the case here.

 

if you want u can send it to me

please ensure i dont need to sign for it, will just claim it didnt arrive. It may re appear months later in the for sale section

 

Yeah still interested Tim! But away o/s at the moment with limited Internet access! Can u look into it & shoot me a PM? I'll also need time to get my final payment sorted! CheerZ

 

BUMP

 

Will do Russ, will get quotes either way & then we'll see if its worth going ahead with.

cheers, Tim